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		By: GayInclusive		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12154</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GayInclusive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12153&quot;&gt;Tom&lt;/a&gt;.

Ditto. Ditto]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12153">Tom</a>.</p>
<p>Ditto. Ditto</p>
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		By: Active Activist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Active Activist]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes is excludes!. It does not appear that much thought was put into this years theme it seems. After so much experience surely the board of Joburg Pride should know better than to use one reference of the LGBTI and not include everyone, lesbians have also felt excluded, feeling that the &quot;reference&quot; to gay only includes men.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If all they are after is a &quot;catchy&quot; theme to get sponsors and media attention to bring awareness to Pride, then surely this is a monetary marketing stratergy and not really for the good of the community as a whole?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pride Board is not inclusive and pretty much has members that for a clique and let&#039;s face it, see how may good people have left the board and you wonder maybe they did not conform to what superior &quot;minded&quot; members wanted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pride is just a party in SA, with top NGO&#039;s even shunning the theme. What an embarrassment to the rest of the world, to Prides such as Toronto, London, SF that actually are for their communities.i]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>yes is excludes!. It does not appear that much thought was put into this years theme it seems. After so much experience surely the board of Joburg Pride should know better than to use one reference of the LGBTI and not include everyone, lesbians have also felt excluded, feeling that the &#8220;reference&#8221; to gay only includes men.  </p>
<p>If all they are after is a &#8220;catchy&#8221; theme to get sponsors and media attention to bring awareness to Pride, then surely this is a monetary marketing stratergy and not really for the good of the community as a whole?</p>
<p>The Pride Board is not inclusive and pretty much has members that for a clique and let&#8217;s face it, see how may good people have left the board and you wonder maybe they did not conform to what superior &#8220;minded&#8221; members wanted.</p>
<p>Pride is just a party in SA, with top NGO&#8217;s even shunning the theme. What an embarrassment to the rest of the world, to Prides such as Toronto, London, SF that actually are for their communities.i</p>
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		By: Active Activist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Active Activist]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[yes is excludes!. It does not appear that much thought was put into this years theme it seems. After so much experience surely the board of Joburg Pride should know better than to use one reference of the LGBTI and not include everyone, lesbians have also felt excluded, feeling that the &quot;reference&quot; to gay only includes men.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If all they are after is a &quot;catchy&quot; theme to get sponsors and media attention to bring awareness to Pride, then surely this is a monetary marketing stratergy and not really for the good of the community as a whole?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pride Board is not inclusive and pretty much has members that for a clique and let&#039;s face it, see how may good people have left the board and you wonder maybe they did not conform to what superior &quot;minded&quot; members wanted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pride is just a party in SA, with top NGO&#039;s even shunning the theme. What an embarrassment to the rest of the world, to Prides such as Toronto, London, SF that actually are for their communities.i]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>yes is excludes!. It does not appear that much thought was put into this years theme it seems. After so much experience surely the board of Joburg Pride should know better than to use one reference of the LGBTI and not include everyone, lesbians have also felt excluded, feeling that the &#8220;reference&#8221; to gay only includes men.  </p>
<p>If all they are after is a &#8220;catchy&#8221; theme to get sponsors and media attention to bring awareness to Pride, then surely this is a monetary marketing stratergy and not really for the good of the community as a whole?</p>
<p>The Pride Board is not inclusive and pretty much has members that for a clique and let&#8217;s face it, see how may good people have left the board and you wonder maybe they did not conform to what superior &#8220;minded&#8221; members wanted.</p>
<p>Pride is just a party in SA, with top NGO&#8217;s even shunning the theme. What an embarrassment to the rest of the world, to Prides such as Toronto, London, SF that actually are for their communities.i</p>
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		By: Neutral		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neutral]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh please we all stand together. I cant see why everything is always made into an issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Oh please we all stand together. I cant see why everything is always made into an issue.</p>
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		By: Robert Hamblin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Hamblin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trans Not Gay!. It is time that gay people understand that blanketing other people within the lgbti spectrum with the word GAY does not free us, it puts many of us in the dark and muffles our voices. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for this article and thank you Joburg pride for your efforts to clear the issues. However as much as Joburg Pride probably has the best intentions their response is just a further display of of ignorance of the issues. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am a transgender man and I am not gay. I am not in a gay relationship. I am not ins a same sex relationship. Many transpeople are but just as many are not. Gay people who have the power to represent lgbti people need to educate themselves about their constituents. It would be the responsible thing to do......with power comes responsibility. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There was a time when women were in reference to men, just some sub-sector to MANkind. That is not ok anymore. We don&#039;t think of humanity that way anymore. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gaga said born this way. Born this gay, very cute Joburg Pride.But you are making SA look ignorant and backward. International movements dont fall in that trap. Why do you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Trans Not Gay!. It is time that gay people understand that blanketing other people within the lgbti spectrum with the word GAY does not free us, it puts many of us in the dark and muffles our voices. </p>
<p>Thank you for this article and thank you Joburg pride for your efforts to clear the issues. However as much as Joburg Pride probably has the best intentions their response is just a further display of of ignorance of the issues. </p>
<p>I am a transgender man and I am not gay. I am not in a gay relationship. I am not ins a same sex relationship. Many transpeople are but just as many are not. Gay people who have the power to represent lgbti people need to educate themselves about their constituents. It would be the responsible thing to do&#8230;&#8230;with power comes responsibility. </p>
<p>There was a time when women were in reference to men, just some sub-sector to MANkind. That is not ok anymore. We don&#8217;t think of humanity that way anymore. </p>
<p>Gaga said born this way. Born this gay, very cute Joburg Pride.But you are making SA look ignorant and backward. International movements dont fall in that trap. Why do you?</p>
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		By: Do we		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do we]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12158&quot;&gt;Neutral&lt;/a&gt;.

Do we all stand together? Really? Transphobia is rampant within LGBTI communities, so is racism, so is sexism. Should we just stay quiet. Why should trans people be silenced by some perceived need for unity which requires them to turn a blind eye to their own discrimination at the hands of the very people they are supposed to find community from? Terrible theme, terrible response from Pride...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12158">Neutral</a>.</p>
<p>Do we all stand together? Really? Transphobia is rampant within LGBTI communities, so is racism, so is sexism. Should we just stay quiet. Why should trans people be silenced by some perceived need for unity which requires them to turn a blind eye to their own discrimination at the hands of the very people they are supposed to find community from? Terrible theme, terrible response from Pride&#8230;</p>
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		By: incredible		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[incredible]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[read the press release. as far a i can make out:&lt;br&gt;the theme is to highlight hate crime against lesbian woman&lt;br&gt;the board of pride is made up of 5 lesbian woman and 2 men - i don&#039;t think they would drive a male homosexual agenda&lt;br&gt;our community really has a very sad side&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>read the press release. as far a i can make out:<br />the theme is to highlight hate crime against lesbian woman<br />the board of pride is made up of 5 lesbian woman and 2 men &#8211; i don&#8217;t think they would drive a male homosexual agenda<br />our community really has a very sad side</p>
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		By: just to say		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[just to say]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12158&quot;&gt;Neutral&lt;/a&gt;.

Neutral?. Thi sopinion is not exactly neutral!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2011/06/28/joburg-pride-accused-of-sidelining-trans-people/#comment-12158">Neutral</a>.</p>
<p>Neutral?. Thi sopinion is not exactly neutral!</p>
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		By: Proudly Transsexual		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Proudly Transsexual]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s just go back to aparthied. Excuse me but being told to turn the blind eye is the same as going back to a system of segregation. I am a transsexual man- that has to do with my GENDER IDENTITY and NOTHING to do with my SEXUALITY. By the way I am HETEROSEXUAL. Letting this theme go ahead would be letting the ignorance perpetuate and we can&#039;t go for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Let&#8217;s just go back to aparthied. Excuse me but being told to turn the blind eye is the same as going back to a system of segregation. I am a transsexual man- that has to do with my GENDER IDENTITY and NOTHING to do with my SEXUALITY. By the way I am HETEROSEXUAL. Letting this theme go ahead would be letting the ignorance perpetuate and we can&#8217;t go for that.</p>
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		By: Joburg Pride		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joburg Pride]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The press release states: to encourage society to speak out and take action against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender hate crime&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the news recently - there has been lots of press regarding the hate crimes and rapes against openly lesbian women - that is what was quoted in the press release.&lt;br&gt;We know that men and women are both raped - because of their sexual identity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The board currently includes 4 women and 3 men. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The pride board is open to suggestions and for help from the broader community. Unfortunately - the sad side is that very few people put their hands up to volunteer to help during the course of the year or on Pride Day. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We actively support Soweto Pride and help in funding this day. We also run a community village for other ngo&#039;s, organisations and so on, on the day of Pride. In effect - we provide the platform for LGBTI organisations and activists to get their message out to the greater community.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We did have problems with accessing our info@joburgpride.org email address. Unfortunately we did not receive communication from Robert Hamblin or Tebogo Nkoana ? whether this was sent to this address or not. &lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>The press release states: to encourage society to speak out and take action against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender hate crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the news recently &#8211; there has been lots of press regarding the hate crimes and rapes against openly lesbian women &#8211; that is what was quoted in the press release.<br />We know that men and women are both raped &#8211; because of their sexual identity.</p>
<p>The board currently includes 4 women and 3 men. </p>
<p>The pride board is open to suggestions and for help from the broader community. Unfortunately &#8211; the sad side is that very few people put their hands up to volunteer to help during the course of the year or on Pride Day. </p>
<p>We actively support Soweto Pride and help in funding this day. We also run a community village for other ngo&#8217;s, organisations and so on, on the day of Pride. In effect &#8211; we provide the platform for LGBTI organisations and activists to get their message out to the greater community.   </p>
<p>We did have problems with accessing our <a href="mailto:info@joburgpride.org">info@joburgpride.org</a> email address. Unfortunately we did not receive communication from Robert Hamblin or Tebogo Nkoana ? whether this was sent to this address or not. </p>
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