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		By: luke		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-16187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15995&quot;&gt;Arial&lt;/a&gt;.

What the member of parliament said was very correct. We do not follow the tradition of what a pride march was intended for. Cape Town has proven over and over again that it is not interested in addressing the LGBTI issues that is facing black and coloured people by way of the platform that it is afforded annually at the PRIDE MARCH. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How are we ever to address the important issues when the gay community cannot even identify the problems that exist within? What Manny is saying should and must be heard in light of what transpired. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our diversity and its rights were never threatened, its a small group who over reacted (GAy Flag of SA - the opportunist group that would do anything for free promotion and publicity or media coverage) and spread the wrong information. In actual fact, the committee regularly engage with all leaders, similarly like it does with the Churches Council, the Afrikaner leadership etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Each have its own opinions and it is never a threat to our constitution. &lt;br&gt;I really think we need to go back and learn from history and understand what a pride march is all about and then implement and use these opportunities to highlight worthy causes and then party later.. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also dont see the point in why we always highlight Melanie Nathan, who is in San Francisco and who does very little for our local community. Nathan chose to desert South Africa during the years of apartheid and has suddenly become an expert on constitutional issues in RSA and claims to understand the &quot;situation&quot; when she never even lived in South Africa during our democracy.. how ironic isnt that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15995">Arial</a>.</p>
<p>What the member of parliament said was very correct. We do not follow the tradition of what a pride march was intended for. Cape Town has proven over and over again that it is not interested in addressing the LGBTI issues that is facing black and coloured people by way of the platform that it is afforded annually at the PRIDE MARCH. </p>
<p>How are we ever to address the important issues when the gay community cannot even identify the problems that exist within? What Manny is saying should and must be heard in light of what transpired. </p>
<p>Our diversity and its rights were never threatened, its a small group who over reacted (GAy Flag of SA &#8211; the opportunist group that would do anything for free promotion and publicity or media coverage) and spread the wrong information. In actual fact, the committee regularly engage with all leaders, similarly like it does with the Churches Council, the Afrikaner leadership etc. </p>
<p>Each have its own opinions and it is never a threat to our constitution. <br />I really think we need to go back and learn from history and understand what a pride march is all about and then implement and use these opportunities to highlight worthy causes and then party later.. </p>
<p>I also dont see the point in why we always highlight Melanie Nathan, who is in San Francisco and who does very little for our local community. Nathan chose to desert South Africa during the years of apartheid and has suddenly become an expert on constitutional issues in RSA and claims to understand the &#8220;situation&#8221; when she never even lived in South Africa during our democracy.. how ironic isnt that?</p>
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		By: Brett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So everyone takes one line from the letter and jumps on it? FFS! Read it in context people. You&#039;re as bad as Bible punchers. All he&#039;s saying is do something to educate the bigots. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s this Twitter landscape you all live in these days: anything longer than 140 characters and your brain goes mushy.&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>So everyone takes one line from the letter and jumps on it? FFS! Read it in context people. You&#8217;re as bad as Bible punchers. All he&#8217;s saying is do something to educate the bigots. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s this Twitter landscape you all live in these days: anything longer than 140 characters and your brain goes mushy.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15967</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everytime a lesbian is raped for corrective purposes - the fight isn&#039;t over. Every time a child is called queer, fag, fruit and made to feel worthless because of his/her sexuality - the fight isn&#039;t over. The reality is that even liberals, even gay people, even white people, even black people get it wrong and people have the right to express themselves and say no it&#039;s not okay. He doesn&#039;t need to be flagellated (unless he wants to) but it is being a bit out of touch with reality to think the LBGT community have nothing to fight for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Everytime a lesbian is raped for corrective purposes &#8211; the fight isn&#8217;t over. Every time a child is called queer, fag, fruit and made to feel worthless because of his/her sexuality &#8211; the fight isn&#8217;t over. The reality is that even liberals, even gay people, even white people, even black people get it wrong and people have the right to express themselves and say no it&#8217;s not okay. He doesn&#8217;t need to be flagellated (unless he wants to) but it is being a bit out of touch with reality to think the LBGT community have nothing to fight for.</p>
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		By: All for1		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15965</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[All for1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15952&quot;&gt;BA&lt;/a&gt;.

A better party? Let me guess...you vote ANC?&lt;br&gt;Case closed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/05/22/da-mp-criticised-for-gay-protest-comments/#comment-15952">BA</a>.</p>
<p>A better party? Let me guess&#8230;you vote ANC?<br />Case closed!</p>
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		By: Lance Weyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Weyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I certainly don&#039;t believe De Freitas &quot;mocked&quot; anyone or had any intention to. In fact his own partner was at the one of the protests. As one of only two openly gay MP&#039;s willing to support gay issues publicly think De Freitas deserves to be applauded and not hauled over the coals by people looking for a story where there is not one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The worst thing we can do as the gay community is alienate our own kind when for the first time in years the community has worked together on something.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Organisers of the protests and myself said before the protests that we were not worried that the constitution would be changed, but against traditional leaders who do not respect out constitution. (See also debate on the Traditional Courts Bill) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We no longer need to flight for rights, as they do exist on paper, but we need to see that those rights are recognised. LGBTI people are still being discriminated against and persecuted, and for many the rights protected in the constitution seem a million mile&#039;s away.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore, the heading of this article smacks of sensationalism. The DA is the only party that has proved that it is fully behind the LGBTI community, and was the only party that when the Civil Union Bill was debated in parliament said that having the word &quot;union&quot; instead of &quot;marriage&quot; for same-sex couples was a form of discrimination. Africa&#039;s first openly-gay politician and parliamentarian (also DA), Ian Ollis, is a representative of the Gay Flag of South Africa and played a role in the adoption of the historic resolution condemning violence and discrimination against people on the basis of sexual orientation at the United Nations. The party&#039;s leader, Helen Zille has stated that she fully endorses the Constitutions Bill of Rights and its commitment to the right of all to determine their sexual orientation, going on to say that everyone has the right to be themselves and live a life they value. This does not sound like a party that would mock LGBTI people.&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I certainly don&#8217;t believe De Freitas &#8220;mocked&#8221; anyone or had any intention to. In fact his own partner was at the one of the protests. As one of only two openly gay MP&#8217;s willing to support gay issues publicly think De Freitas deserves to be applauded and not hauled over the coals by people looking for a story where there is not one.</p>
<p>The worst thing we can do as the gay community is alienate our own kind when for the first time in years the community has worked together on something.</p>
<p>Organisers of the protests and myself said before the protests that we were not worried that the constitution would be changed, but against traditional leaders who do not respect out constitution. (See also debate on the Traditional Courts Bill) </p>
<p>We no longer need to flight for rights, as they do exist on paper, but we need to see that those rights are recognised. LGBTI people are still being discriminated against and persecuted, and for many the rights protected in the constitution seem a million mile&#8217;s away.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the heading of this article smacks of sensationalism. The DA is the only party that has proved that it is fully behind the LGBTI community, and was the only party that when the Civil Union Bill was debated in parliament said that having the word &#8220;union&#8221; instead of &#8220;marriage&#8221; for same-sex couples was a form of discrimination. Africa&#8217;s first openly-gay politician and parliamentarian (also DA), Ian Ollis, is a representative of the Gay Flag of South Africa and played a role in the adoption of the historic resolution condemning violence and discrimination against people on the basis of sexual orientation at the United Nations. The party&#8217;s leader, Helen Zille has stated that she fully endorses the Constitutions Bill of Rights and its commitment to the right of all to determine their sexual orientation, going on to say that everyone has the right to be themselves and live a life they value. This does not sound like a party that would mock LGBTI people.</p>
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		By: steven		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr de freitas should rather not comment he is gay himself and in the closet!!!!!DISSAPOINTED]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Mr de freitas should rather not comment he is gay himself and in the closet!!!!!DISSAPOINTED</p>
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		By: R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Manny de Freitas realises how contradictory his letter was. Sure we need to educate people more about being gay, but look at how those cheif leaders went about LBGTI issues in front of him. If he truely believes talking about during tea time will solve anything he&#039;s than he&#039;s a bigger duch than he portrays. He even had the nerve to downplay HIV/AIDS as if he was talking about diabetes or somthin... r u fuckin kidding me?! What a very dangerous statement from a leader!! So long as there is no cure or a treatment to get rid of it, it will always be an issue. Ask someone who has to live with HIV/AIDS if it&#039;s as trivial as Manny de Freitas is making it out to be. Yes a serious apology is in order here. This is a good example why we need more LBGTI to get into politics. Percpective is paramount in leadership as a whole and these narrow minded veiws from the above mentioned leaders is a deterant on progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I don&#8217;t think Manny de Freitas realises how contradictory his letter was. Sure we need to educate people more about being gay, but look at how those cheif leaders went about LBGTI issues in front of him. If he truely believes talking about during tea time will solve anything he&#8217;s than he&#8217;s a bigger duch than he portrays. He even had the nerve to downplay HIV/AIDS as if he was talking about diabetes or somthin&#8230; r u fuckin kidding me?! What a very dangerous statement from a leader!! So long as there is no cure or a treatment to get rid of it, it will always be an issue. Ask someone who has to live with HIV/AIDS if it&#8217;s as trivial as Manny de Freitas is making it out to be. Yes a serious apology is in order here. This is a good example why we need more LBGTI to get into politics. Percpective is paramount in leadership as a whole and these narrow minded veiws from the above mentioned leaders is a deterant on progress.</p>
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		By: User?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[User?]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[What this man is saying is insensitive given all the violence that the gay community in South Africa faces. However, he does have a point when it comes to &#039;educating&#039; the &#039;bigots&#039;. Unfortunately it&#039;s in most peoples nature to fear the &#039;unknown&#039;. Awareness is the best cure for homophobia. More effort has to be made by the gay community in this front.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>What this man is saying is insensitive given all the violence that the gay community in South Africa faces. However, he does have a point when it comes to &#8216;educating&#8217; the &#8216;bigots&#8217;. Unfortunately it&#8217;s in most peoples nature to fear the &#8216;unknown&#8217;. Awareness is the best cure for homophobia. More effort has to be made by the gay community in this front.</p>
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		By: BA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BA]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The DA is just a lot of hot air trying to chase ANC opinion. Please give us a better party!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>The DA is just a lot of hot air trying to chase ANC opinion. Please give us a better party!</p>
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		By: Dylan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dylan]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m beyond disillusioned with the DA. And one dare not criticise them. Oh no. They don&#039;t take well to what they dish out all day. May we have another opposition party please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I&#8217;m beyond disillusioned with the DA. And one dare not criticise them. Oh no. They don&#8217;t take well to what they dish out all day. May we have another opposition party please?</p>
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