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		By: trumpet		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16390</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trumpet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16304&quot;&gt;Mr GSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Carry on with your misrepresentation kukkuk and weyer . your days are numbered in representation of us gays !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16304">Mr GSA</a>.</p>
<p>Carry on with your misrepresentation kukkuk and weyer . your days are numbered in representation of us gays !</p>
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		By: y&#299;nyng		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16305</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[y&#299;nyng]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much thanks Mr GSA for clearing up the red-herring issue, we much appreciate. Now I believe the community knows what transpired and we can hopefully move on and lobby for change, as a collective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Much thanks Mr GSA for clearing up the red-herring issue, we much appreciate. Now I believe the community knows what transpired and we can hopefully move on and lobby for change, as a collective.</p>
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		By: Mr GSA		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr GSA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16303&quot;&gt;Mr GSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Melanie says Lances enquiry on the work of the Task Team attacks  Poor people are spending their own money and begging for donations. It must be clarified that the government spent R351,904.00 to allow for NGOs and other civil society groups to attend meetings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It has emerged that civil society groups say that the task team &quot;appears to exist in a vacuum&quot; and that its work is not integrated with efforts by government departments on the team. Lances accusations of poor work relations were proven true when it emerged that government saw civil society groups as unrealistic, untrustworthy and chaotic, while they saw government as arrogant, rigid and ignorant. There has been little evidence of working together. We can only hope that now things will work as promised improvements are made.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;MR. GAY SOUTH AFRICA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16303">Mr GSA</a>.</p>
<p>Melanie says Lances enquiry on the work of the Task Team attacks  Poor people are spending their own money and begging for donations. It must be clarified that the government spent R351,904.00 to allow for NGOs and other civil society groups to attend meetings.</p>
<p>It has emerged that civil society groups say that the task team &#8220;appears to exist in a vacuum&#8221; and that its work is not integrated with efforts by government departments on the team. Lances accusations of poor work relations were proven true when it emerged that government saw civil society groups as unrealistic, untrustworthy and chaotic, while they saw government as arrogant, rigid and ignorant. There has been little evidence of working together. We can only hope that now things will work as promised improvements are made.</p>
<p>MR. GAY SOUTH AFRICA</p>
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		By: Mr GSA		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr GSA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16302&quot;&gt;Mr GSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Part 2:  Not surprisingly, the answers provided by the DoJ create further questions which will also be put to the Department. Lance has also liaised with the DA Shadow Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development, Dene Smuts, on the subject of the task team and related strategies. The DA Parliamentary Leader Lindiwe Mazibuko subsequently submitted parliamentary questions to the Minister of Justice to receive the facts and relevant information in writing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mambaonline has made use of the answers to the PAI Act answers plus additional research to put together an enlightening article on the issue. Sources told Mambaonline that, while there was some genuine concern about the issues, the creation of the team was largely a hurried public relations exercise by the government to save face internationally. As such, it was not properly thought out, no structures were in place and the task team didnt have defined goals and objectives. When the Department was accused to not meeting their mandate the immediate response was to shoot the whistle blower to try and silence him  fortunately Lance knew his suspicions were well founded and continued to pursue the matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In re-reading all correspondence all of Lances accusations were proven true. The only matter that Lance was not clear on was funding which has emerged comes from internal Department funds. They however have not indicated which vote (government account) this money is being drawn from. The Department has said that costing for 2012/2013 financial year is R427,067.00 only for the NGOs/Civil society Groups costs (travel etc).&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16302">Mr GSA</a>.</p>
<p>Part 2:  Not surprisingly, the answers provided by the DoJ create further questions which will also be put to the Department. Lance has also liaised with the DA Shadow Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development, Dene Smuts, on the subject of the task team and related strategies. The DA Parliamentary Leader Lindiwe Mazibuko subsequently submitted parliamentary questions to the Minister of Justice to receive the facts and relevant information in writing.</p>
<p>Mambaonline has made use of the answers to the PAI Act answers plus additional research to put together an enlightening article on the issue. Sources told Mambaonline that, while there was some genuine concern about the issues, the creation of the team was largely a hurried public relations exercise by the government to save face internationally. As such, it was not properly thought out, no structures were in place and the task team didnt have defined goals and objectives. When the Department was accused to not meeting their mandate the immediate response was to shoot the whistle blower to try and silence him  fortunately Lance knew his suspicions were well founded and continued to pursue the matter.</p>
<p>In re-reading all correspondence all of Lances accusations were proven true. The only matter that Lance was not clear on was funding which has emerged comes from internal Department funds. They however have not indicated which vote (government account) this money is being drawn from. The Department has said that costing for 2012/2013 financial year is R427,067.00 only for the NGOs/Civil society Groups costs (travel etc).</p>
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		By: Mr GSA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr GSA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16298&quot;&gt;y&#299;nyng&lt;/a&gt;.

RE: THE SO-CALLED &#039;HATE CRIMES TASK TEAM&#039;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While not wanting to draw away from the IMPORTANT issue here, which is the success of the task team who should be protecting our Constitutional Rights, we cannot allow people to wrongly slander us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It must be clearly stated that USA blog-writer Melanie Nathan&#039;s article, it is HER point of view and HER opinion. Melanie accuses Lance of dividing the LGBTI community, when in fact his inquiries have helped to uncover a mess which is resulting in the community not receiving the protection is deserves. The only one that has caused any division is Melanie who seems to have her own agenda. There was and is no &quot;investigation&quot;, the DoJ do not have jurisdiction for any such &quot;investigation&quot; (that is what the courts are there for) and to date no action - because as stated below, Lance was correct. (Anyone saying there is an &quot;investigation&quot; pending, musts how tangible proof - which we have asked for and did not receive). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The facts are that Lance submitted a request for records of a public body in terms of Section 18(1) of the Promotion of Access to Information Act (2000) which forced the Department into providing answers to his questions which they treated with resistance earlier. When Lance first approached the Department of Justice they did not respond, only to later threaten him with an investigation which has never materialised, but Nathan seems to keep quoting without evidence. With the PAI Act application they were forced to respond, cleanly underestimating Lances understanding of public law.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16298">y&#299;nyng</a>.</p>
<p>RE: THE SO-CALLED &#8216;HATE CRIMES TASK TEAM&#8217;  </p>
<p>While not wanting to draw away from the IMPORTANT issue here, which is the success of the task team who should be protecting our Constitutional Rights, we cannot allow people to wrongly slander us.</p>
<p>It must be clearly stated that USA blog-writer Melanie Nathan&#8217;s article, it is HER point of view and HER opinion. Melanie accuses Lance of dividing the LGBTI community, when in fact his inquiries have helped to uncover a mess which is resulting in the community not receiving the protection is deserves. The only one that has caused any division is Melanie who seems to have her own agenda. There was and is no &#8220;investigation&#8221;, the DoJ do not have jurisdiction for any such &#8220;investigation&#8221; (that is what the courts are there for) and to date no action &#8211; because as stated below, Lance was correct. (Anyone saying there is an &#8220;investigation&#8221; pending, musts how tangible proof &#8211; which we have asked for and did not receive). </p>
<p>The facts are that Lance submitted a request for records of a public body in terms of Section 18(1) of the Promotion of Access to Information Act (2000) which forced the Department into providing answers to his questions which they treated with resistance earlier. When Lance first approached the Department of Justice they did not respond, only to later threaten him with an investigation which has never materialised, but Nathan seems to keep quoting without evidence. With the PAI Act application they were forced to respond, cleanly underestimating Lances understanding of public law.</p>
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		By: y&#299;nyng		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[y&#299;nyng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe there are two distinct components here: (1) Cllr Weyer was right in that the task team had not done much and the reasons are set out in the article above. (2) the DOJ however took umbrage at a whole other issue to which we still need to hear Cllr Weyer&#039;s side of the story. As seen there are perennially more sides to an issue than one. Subterfuge, some might claim; vindication, others. I would err on the side of caution here. Cllr Weyer has the floor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I believe there are two distinct components here: (1) Cllr Weyer was right in that the task team had not done much and the reasons are set out in the article above. (2) the DOJ however took umbrage at a whole other issue to which we still need to hear Cllr Weyer&#8217;s side of the story. As seen there are perennially more sides to an issue than one. Subterfuge, some might claim; vindication, others. I would err on the side of caution here. Cllr Weyer has the floor.</p>
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		By: Terrence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Lance was right and that Nathan woman from the States was wrong. Thank you for clearing it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>So Lance was right and that Nathan woman from the States was wrong. Thank you for clearing it up.</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16291</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2012/07/02/exclusive-fiddling-while-lgbtis-are-murdered/#comment-16287&quot;&gt;TruthComesOut&lt;/a&gt;.

Doubt that that will ever happen!]]></description>
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<p>Doubt that that will ever happen!</p>
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		By: Carla De Bouchet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carla De Bouchet]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Luiz for your article. Well researched and I now feel well informed on this issue. This just validates Lance taking this team to task for their ineptness. As mentioned, a definite solution would be a task team with full-time staff having representatives from relevant NGO&#039;s and Government. This issue needs a team that is 100% dedicated, focussed, motivated and is genuinely ready to stand behind the LGBTI community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Thank you Luiz for your article. Well researched and I now feel well informed on this issue. This just validates Lance taking this team to task for their ineptness. As mentioned, a definite solution would be a task team with full-time staff having representatives from relevant NGO&#8217;s and Government. This issue needs a team that is 100% dedicated, focussed, motivated and is genuinely ready to stand behind the LGBTI community.</p>
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		By: TruthComesOut		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TruthComesOut]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes Brandon. I hope that those that slated Lance when he first brought this to light and wouldn&#039;t believe him are going to apologise now... but sadly I&#039;m sure their egos are too big for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Yes Brandon. I hope that those that slated Lance when he first brought this to light and wouldn&#8217;t believe him are going to apologise now&#8230; but sadly I&#8217;m sure their egos are too big for that.</p>
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