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		By: lu		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41884</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41746&quot;&gt;Pelmane&lt;/a&gt;.

Great points,..but here again it refers to what the constitution says,..protecting everyones rights. And pls pls pls people do not choose to be gay. People are born gay! just as you cannot refuse to serve a muslim,christian or jew(which is a choice or people are born into such faiths) ,such as you cannot refuse service to a specific race.
&quot;Everyone’s right stops where their neighbour’s right begins. No one’s rights are bigger than their neighbour’s&quot; ,..that&#039;s a truth many cannot live by and has been applied here. businesses private or otherwise cannot discriminate based on geneder,religion,sexuality and race. That&#039;s all that has happened here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41746">Pelmane</a>.</p>
<p>Great points,..but here again it refers to what the constitution says,..protecting everyones rights. And pls pls pls people do not choose to be gay. People are born gay! just as you cannot refuse to serve a muslim,christian or jew(which is a choice or people are born into such faiths) ,such as you cannot refuse service to a specific race.<br />
&#8220;Everyone’s right stops where their neighbour’s right begins. No one’s rights are bigger than their neighbour’s&#8221; ,..that&#8217;s a truth many cannot live by and has been applied here. businesses private or otherwise cannot discriminate based on geneder,religion,sexuality and race. That&#8217;s all that has happened here.</p>
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		By: lu		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41883</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41733&quot;&gt;e le roux&lt;/a&gt;.

sorry ,..pls check your facts,..its more about 8- 10% of the population(maybe mamba online or an NGO can help with numbers here?),..and even so..the issue here is upholding the constitution,. Not forcing anyone to accept 1% or gay peoples choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41733">e le roux</a>.</p>
<p>sorry ,..pls check your facts,..its more about 8- 10% of the population(maybe mamba online or an NGO can help with numbers here?),..and even so..the issue here is upholding the constitution,. Not forcing anyone to accept 1% or gay peoples choices.</p>
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		By: luiz		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41871</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lessons to be learnt from all this,..the community needs to stop the same gang up mentality that homophobes do  when they decide on a witch hunt. 2. To businesses that have been mentioned(I did read a post on the two food fundies and Melissa van Zyl link,..where a commentator  suggested attacking these two businesses as they are tied/owned by the farm,.. I for one know Melissa personally and she has been involved and supported with pride in Cape Town several times ).. should stand up denounce and distance themselves from the said farm,..maybe by doing so the owners would get the picture.3. they signed a contract ,..that is a binding legal document,..what ever happened to compensation??? call them out get them to pay and donate heavily to a LGBTI cause,..maybe then they would learn,..or better still, let then do some community service in the LGBTI community or an NGO! 4. there is law and there is a constitution,. Get with it and don&#039;t discriminate,. But the LGBTI community also needs not to turn to the tactics of its oppressors/homophobes and become the lynch mob.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Lessons to be learnt from all this,..the community needs to stop the same gang up mentality that homophobes do  when they decide on a witch hunt. 2. To businesses that have been mentioned(I did read a post on the two food fundies and Melissa van Zyl link,..where a commentator  suggested attacking these two businesses as they are tied/owned by the farm,.. I for one know Melissa personally and she has been involved and supported with pride in Cape Town several times ).. should stand up denounce and distance themselves from the said farm,..maybe by doing so the owners would get the picture.3. they signed a contract ,..that is a binding legal document,..what ever happened to compensation??? call them out get them to pay and donate heavily to a LGBTI cause,..maybe then they would learn,..or better still, let then do some community service in the LGBTI community or an NGO! 4. there is law and there is a constitution,. Get with it and don&#8217;t discriminate,. But the LGBTI community also needs not to turn to the tactics of its oppressors/homophobes and become the lynch mob.</p>
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		By: Maggie Garcia		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41861</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie Garcia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 02:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends, some are single and some are in relationships so hearing about these news makes it tough to swallow how the society discerns the LGBT community. I understand that some find the whole idea still taboo but we need to accept the reality that the world is constantly changing and living and practicing old views don&#039;t make us better people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends, some are single and some are in relationships so hearing about these news makes it tough to swallow how the society discerns the LGBT community. I understand that some find the whole idea still taboo but we need to accept the reality that the world is constantly changing and living and practicing old views don&#8217;t make us better people.</p>
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		By: Pelmane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pelmane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am saddened by the too strong reaction so many people had about this story.

As much as I do not see any problem in peoples choices (religion, sexual orientations, ...), I do not see either why some consider it right to force others to embrace their choices.

The owners of this venue have made a choice about a specific religious belief that clearly does not allow them to associate with same sex lifestyle, who on earth should try and force them to change and view things differently?

They are so many other venues for weddings; why make a problem about having been refused the use of this particular venue?

On new24, I read so many comments of people comparing this sexual orientation based decision with decisions to associate with people based on race or gender.

My view is that these are two different things: No one chooses their race or gender. I choose to be gay (lesbian) or straight; I choose to  be muslim or christian, or atheist... So, there cannot just be any justification to take decisions based on race or gender, because that would just be unfair since no one ever chose to be born black, white, chinese, or female or male. Also no one should be discriminated against because of their sexual choices or religion. Yet choices to associate with somebody does not necessarily imply discrimination, as long as the other person has also the freedom to choose.

If I choose to be gay, I have the obligation to accept (as much as I except others to accept my choice of being gay) others to be straight. and if some of those who chose to be christians or muslims believe they should not associate with gay people, who am to try and force them otherwise? Everyone&#039;s right stops where their neighbour&#039;s right begins. No one&#039;s rights are bigger than their neighbour&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I am saddened by the too strong reaction so many people had about this story.</p>
<p>As much as I do not see any problem in peoples choices (religion, sexual orientations, &#8230;), I do not see either why some consider it right to force others to embrace their choices.</p>
<p>The owners of this venue have made a choice about a specific religious belief that clearly does not allow them to associate with same sex lifestyle, who on earth should try and force them to change and view things differently?</p>
<p>They are so many other venues for weddings; why make a problem about having been refused the use of this particular venue?</p>
<p>On new24, I read so many comments of people comparing this sexual orientation based decision with decisions to associate with people based on race or gender.</p>
<p>My view is that these are two different things: No one chooses their race or gender. I choose to be gay (lesbian) or straight; I choose to  be muslim or christian, or atheist&#8230; So, there cannot just be any justification to take decisions based on race or gender, because that would just be unfair since no one ever chose to be born black, white, chinese, or female or male. Also no one should be discriminated against because of their sexual choices or religion. Yet choices to associate with somebody does not necessarily imply discrimination, as long as the other person has also the freedom to choose.</p>
<p>If I choose to be gay, I have the obligation to accept (as much as I except others to accept my choice of being gay) others to be straight. and if some of those who chose to be christians or muslims believe they should not associate with gay people, who am to try and force them otherwise? Everyone&#8217;s right stops where their neighbour&#8217;s right begins. No one&#8217;s rights are bigger than their neighbour&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: e le roux		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41733</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2014 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kilcairn well done gay couples make up less than 1% of our population and they want the most rights of all (sic)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Kilcairn well done gay couples make up less than 1% of our population and they want the most rights of all (sic)</p>
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		By: Jodi-Lee Rood		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41669</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jodi-Lee Rood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JoziTown Projects has blacklisted the venue Kilcairn Farm in the Riebeek Valley, near Wellington.

A couple booked the venue and then were told a few days after they had signed the contract, that the owner would not have them because they are a lesbian couple.

Refusing to provide services to someone on the basis of their sexual orientation is illegal in South Africa under both the Constitution and the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act.

JoziTown Projects will never host a wedding or any other event at this venue, if a client chooses to have their event there, we will not be involved.

We encourage all South African&#039;s to take a stand, this is shocking behaviour and we should not tolerate it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>JoziTown Projects has blacklisted the venue Kilcairn Farm in the Riebeek Valley, near Wellington.</p>
<p>A couple booked the venue and then were told a few days after they had signed the contract, that the owner would not have them because they are a lesbian couple.</p>
<p>Refusing to provide services to someone on the basis of their sexual orientation is illegal in South Africa under both the Constitution and the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act.</p>
<p>JoziTown Projects will never host a wedding or any other event at this venue, if a client chooses to have their event there, we will not be involved.</p>
<p>We encourage all South African&#8217;s to take a stand, this is shocking behaviour and we should not tolerate it.</p>
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		By: Glenda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think this reaction only adds to the lgbt movement. Its unfotunate people were hurt in the crossfire but it serves as a lesson to the country not to underestimate or discriminate against us. This only serves to ensure that our rights will be upheld.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I think this reaction only adds to the lgbt movement. Its unfotunate people were hurt in the crossfire but it serves as a lesson to the country not to underestimate or discriminate against us. This only serves to ensure that our rights will be upheld.</p>
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		By: Albert Combrink		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41574</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert Combrink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think no apologies are called for. The farm is at fault and they should receive all the flack the public can muster. The other service providers are not to blame for more than working with the venue. Your article made clear what the  problem was, and rightly people have responded with anger. For years the gay community has fought for equal rights in this country and globally, and those rights have to be defended.  Please do not call for apologies. Keep focussing on where the target is and keep guiding people there.  Of course people can ask for a public explanation. A simple email explaining their position would do wonders for their PR. Show some balls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I think no apologies are called for. The farm is at fault and they should receive all the flack the public can muster. The other service providers are not to blame for more than working with the venue. Your article made clear what the  problem was, and rightly people have responded with anger. For years the gay community has fought for equal rights in this country and globally, and those rights have to be defended.  Please do not call for apologies. Keep focussing on where the target is and keep guiding people there.  Of course people can ask for a public explanation. A simple email explaining their position would do wonders for their PR. Show some balls.</p>
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		By: Cara Lee McLaughlin		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/03/27/lesbian-wedding-venue-snub-story-goes-viral/#comment-41530</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cara Lee McLaughlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this follow up. I appreciate you clarifying that I was not the party involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Thank you for this follow up. I appreciate you clarifying that I was not the party involved.</p>
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