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		By: Rudie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rudie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 07:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-72541&quot;&gt;Frans Zeelie&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you Frans. Malema is openly racist to white people. He openly lies and is deceitful To follow him will be major FOLLY. He is described by some of the EFF members as a dictator. Malema also support Robert Mugabe... All dictators at some point will support groups of people who they actually do not feel that they want to support, just to gain support for the party. Once in power they turn around and revoke support for all such fringe groups. John just remember that with for filling some conditions, the constitution can be changed it is not written in stone. It would be wise not to trust the wolf. I agree, Jaco should not use his sexual preference to try and obtain support.  Gays in general in South Africa should also stop behaving in that way of always using they’re sexual preference, yes you are gay, get over it. Your sexuality has nothing to do with whom you support it should be about the policy&#039;s that a party propose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-72541">Frans Zeelie</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you Frans. Malema is openly racist to white people. He openly lies and is deceitful To follow him will be major FOLLY. He is described by some of the EFF members as a dictator. Malema also support Robert Mugabe&#8230; All dictators at some point will support groups of people who they actually do not feel that they want to support, just to gain support for the party. Once in power they turn around and revoke support for all such fringe groups. John just remember that with for filling some conditions, the constitution can be changed it is not written in stone. It would be wise not to trust the wolf. I agree, Jaco should not use his sexual preference to try and obtain support.  Gays in general in South Africa should also stop behaving in that way of always using they’re sexual preference, yes you are gay, get over it. Your sexuality has nothing to do with whom you support it should be about the policy&#8217;s that a party propose.</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-75070&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

The fact that Steve Hofmeyr is not heading the third biggest political party in the country and is not take as seriously as Julius Malema is by many people is enough for us to pick which of them is more likely to do the damage. Quite frankly most of what Malema says is patently ridiculous as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-75070">John</a>.</p>
<p>The fact that Steve Hofmeyr is not heading the third biggest political party in the country and is not take as seriously as Julius Malema is by many people is enough for us to pick which of them is more likely to do the damage. Quite frankly most of what Malema says is patently ridiculous as well.</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-125329&quot;&gt;Staal Burger&lt;/a&gt;.

Hear hear!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-125329">Staal Burger</a>.</p>
<p>Hear hear!</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-100921&quot;&gt;Tim fucking NICE&lt;/a&gt;.

If anyone pushes buttons concerning race it is the EFF. You think the heads of the EFF haven&#039;t been trying to live in glamorous cocoons themselves? You obviously haven&#039;t been paying much attention to the news. Julius Malema is a fat cat supreme! His only problem is he ran foul of Zuma, the other major fat cat here. If you want to see ignorance, the EFF and its members personify it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2014/09/10/steve-hofmeyr-writes-gay-white-eff-member/#comment-100921">Tim fucking NICE</a>.</p>
<p>If anyone pushes buttons concerning race it is the EFF. You think the heads of the EFF haven&#8217;t been trying to live in glamorous cocoons themselves? You obviously haven&#8217;t been paying much attention to the news. Julius Malema is a fat cat supreme! His only problem is he ran foul of Zuma, the other major fat cat here. If you want to see ignorance, the EFF and its members personify it.</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a feeling Jaco Oelofse is one of that class of white person who believes that, in order to make the world a better place (usually a very narrow definition of a better place), they have to reject very thoroughly anything which could be viewed as &quot;white&quot; and Western, and have to adopt an anti-white, &quot;revolutionary&quot; stance on matters. These people usually turn out to have extremely rigid beliefs regarding race and culture (despite denying this) and subscribe to double standards regarding the rights of whites and others in the world. They also usually turn out to not know very much about history (as is the case with most radicals). Oh well, Jaco may have a rude awakening awaiting him at some point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I have a feeling Jaco Oelofse is one of that class of white person who believes that, in order to make the world a better place (usually a very narrow definition of a better place), they have to reject very thoroughly anything which could be viewed as &#8220;white&#8221; and Western, and have to adopt an anti-white, &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; stance on matters. These people usually turn out to have extremely rigid beliefs regarding race and culture (despite denying this) and subscribe to double standards regarding the rights of whites and others in the world. They also usually turn out to not know very much about history (as is the case with most radicals). Oh well, Jaco may have a rude awakening awaiting him at some point.</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If anyone thinks the EFF is seriously interested in the rights of the LGBT community, just take a look at how they carry on concerning a variety of issues (such as race, etc.) It is one thing to have people&#039;s rights enshrined on a piece of paper; it is another to actually follow said piece of paper. The EFF claims it stands for the poor, but all one has to do is look at the actions of Malema, Shivambu and the rest to realise that they are simply towing the populist line to get support. Look at how Malema lambastes the ANC&#039;s corruption, and then look at his track record (if that isn&#039;t hypocrisy I don&#039;t know what is). The EFF are really interested in getting into power and lining their own pockets in the fastest and easiest way possible. In fact the EFF has simply shown that it appropriates whatever policies and rhetoric it thinks will make it look like it is some humanitarian organisation on the side of the downtrodden and marginalised to get support. If the EFF were to take over here I suspect serious human rights abuses, plus economic collapse and rapine of the countries capital and resources, would be the only results. I believe the EFF would be one of the worst things to hit this country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>If anyone thinks the EFF is seriously interested in the rights of the LGBT community, just take a look at how they carry on concerning a variety of issues (such as race, etc.) It is one thing to have people&#8217;s rights enshrined on a piece of paper; it is another to actually follow said piece of paper. The EFF claims it stands for the poor, but all one has to do is look at the actions of Malema, Shivambu and the rest to realise that they are simply towing the populist line to get support. Look at how Malema lambastes the ANC&#8217;s corruption, and then look at his track record (if that isn&#8217;t hypocrisy I don&#8217;t know what is). The EFF are really interested in getting into power and lining their own pockets in the fastest and easiest way possible. In fact the EFF has simply shown that it appropriates whatever policies and rhetoric it thinks will make it look like it is some humanitarian organisation on the side of the downtrodden and marginalised to get support. If the EFF were to take over here I suspect serious human rights abuses, plus economic collapse and rapine of the countries capital and resources, would be the only results. I believe the EFF would be one of the worst things to hit this country.</p>
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		By: luke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Groot nonsens kom,  oor n week, maand of jaar of 5 jaar, maak nie saak nie maar dit kom en ek is ontnugter oor ons so genaamde leiers wat ons het geen wat werklik vertou kan word nie, as hulle monde oop gaan is dit net wind. Malema is minder as wind maar ek het lankal geleer om nie die vyand te onderskat nie. Steve Hofmeyr se wat hy wil se, hy draai nie doekies om nie en hy bedoel wat hy se. Geen vals beloftes en gee werklik om vir sy mense. Sit asb Steve Hofmeyr se naam op volgende stem brief want ek soek iemand waardig om voor te stem. Steve vir President.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Groot nonsens kom,  oor n week, maand of jaar of 5 jaar, maak nie saak nie maar dit kom en ek is ontnugter oor ons so genaamde leiers wat ons het geen wat werklik vertou kan word nie, as hulle monde oop gaan is dit net wind. Malema is minder as wind maar ek het lankal geleer om nie die vyand te onderskat nie. Steve Hofmeyr se wat hy wil se, hy draai nie doekies om nie en hy bedoel wat hy se. Geen vals beloftes en gee werklik om vir sy mense. Sit asb Steve Hofmeyr se naam op volgende stem brief want ek soek iemand waardig om voor te stem. Steve vir President&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Staal Burger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Staal Burger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funnily enough Malema/EFF had never expressed any issues with their African hero Robert Mugabe&#039;s virulent homophobic, racist and  anti-Western ranting. 

Now why is that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Funnily enough Malema/EFF had never expressed any issues with their African hero Robert Mugabe&#8217;s virulent homophobic, racist and  anti-Western ranting. </p>
<p>Now why is that?</p>
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		By: Tim fucking NICE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim fucking NICE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very disappointed at Stevie Hoffmeyrs&#039;s action, perpetuating hate between blacks ad whites, democracy is a choice to be whoever your sexual preference take you and pleasure to choice a political party. EFF is seen as political party of uneducated blacks!! and is just a myth. Honorable Julius Malema is a force of change that all South Africans. Our country can only move forward if our closet political parties can step out of the glamorous cocoons and pay attention to issues that bring this country down hill like Steve Hoffmeyrs&#039;s commence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Very disappointed at Stevie Hoffmeyrs&#8217;s action, perpetuating hate between blacks ad whites, democracy is a choice to be whoever your sexual preference take you and pleasure to choice a political party. EFF is seen as political party of uneducated blacks!! and is just a myth. Honorable Julius Malema is a force of change that all South Africans. Our country can only move forward if our closet political parties can step out of the glamorous cocoons and pay attention to issues that bring this country down hill like Steve Hoffmeyrs&#8217;s commence.</p>
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		By: Anton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have become the handbag gays.

When I was still closeted , my music teacher was the only one I entrusted with the knowledge of my sexuality. She used to tell me to never become a handbag , meaning don&#039;t let others use me or my position/disposition in life to their own accord. Isn&#039;t this what is happening here? Is this really because Steve and Jaco are your typical &#039;Gay vs. Straight&#039; dilemma or is this simply -like all things else in South Africa- a &#039;White vs. Black&#039; situation? 

I , myself, am impartial to both Steve and Jaco&#039;s cases , since I believe both have equally valid points , but the delivery of the message is all wrong and that&#039;s what is sparking so much aggression. 

Jaco has the freedom of association and is therefore free to be a white EFF member... (whoopty doo, don&#039;t quite know why that should even be considered newsworthy since you would expect such from a country that has been enjoying &#039;Democracy&#039; for the last 20 years?)

Equally valid, is Steve&#039;s point of Jaco&#039;s description being lengthened to include the additional &#039;gay&#039; adjective. I know of quite a few parties that state they are pro-gay, but they don&#039;t hammer upon it? 
Why? Because having one gay guy in your party makes you just as pro-gay as a church who has one gay guy in it. 

I personally feel the real crime here is the fact that political parties think that being gay dehumanizes us to the point where we can be seen as leverage.

 Should political parties have the mentality of: &quot;oh , look! How convenient , we have a gay man to use for a poster boy.We shall use this to our advantage and sweep the minority groups out from under all the other parties! HA! And we better get people in wheelchairs too before Me Zille thinks of that!... 

I don&#039;t know about you but I don&#039;t want to be a article of propaganda...

Steve is also right when he says that Marxism is a flawed system. Don&#039;t get me wrong... I would be all for it, but Marx never took in account the complete effect human unreliability would have on his theory. But that&#039;s beside the point. 

Steve shouldn&#039;t have said what he said about gays not caring about Children... but I don&#039;t blame him for being under the impression that this statement is correct because a lot of gay people in South Africa don&#039;t act like they care about it. But I&#039;m sure once we start marrying each other and proving that we can actually be faithful and monogamous, Steve will see the error of his statement and apologize.

Till that happens , are we going to enjoy being handbag gays for political parties and complain about a straight guy ranting that a college student doesn&#039;t care about kids yet... or are we going to be more active in inspiring pro-gay activities in  all the political groups and start making use of our beautiful right to marry one another whilst the world still allows it?        

I&#039;m personally more of a wallet kind of guy myself...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>We have become the handbag gays.</p>
<p>When I was still closeted , my music teacher was the only one I entrusted with the knowledge of my sexuality. She used to tell me to never become a handbag , meaning don&#8217;t let others use me or my position/disposition in life to their own accord. Isn&#8217;t this what is happening here? Is this really because Steve and Jaco are your typical &#8216;Gay vs. Straight&#8217; dilemma or is this simply -like all things else in South Africa- a &#8216;White vs. Black&#8217; situation? </p>
<p>I , myself, am impartial to both Steve and Jaco&#8217;s cases , since I believe both have equally valid points , but the delivery of the message is all wrong and that&#8217;s what is sparking so much aggression. </p>
<p>Jaco has the freedom of association and is therefore free to be a white EFF member&#8230; (whoopty doo, don&#8217;t quite know why that should even be considered newsworthy since you would expect such from a country that has been enjoying &#8216;Democracy&#8217; for the last 20 years?)</p>
<p>Equally valid, is Steve&#8217;s point of Jaco&#8217;s description being lengthened to include the additional &#8216;gay&#8217; adjective. I know of quite a few parties that state they are pro-gay, but they don&#8217;t hammer upon it?<br />
Why? Because having one gay guy in your party makes you just as pro-gay as a church who has one gay guy in it. </p>
<p>I personally feel the real crime here is the fact that political parties think that being gay dehumanizes us to the point where we can be seen as leverage.</p>
<p> Should political parties have the mentality of: &#8220;oh , look! How convenient , we have a gay man to use for a poster boy.We shall use this to our advantage and sweep the minority groups out from under all the other parties! HA! And we better get people in wheelchairs too before Me Zille thinks of that!&#8230; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you but I don&#8217;t want to be a article of propaganda&#8230;</p>
<p>Steve is also right when he says that Marxism is a flawed system. Don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230; I would be all for it, but Marx never took in account the complete effect human unreliability would have on his theory. But that&#8217;s beside the point. </p>
<p>Steve shouldn&#8217;t have said what he said about gays not caring about Children&#8230; but I don&#8217;t blame him for being under the impression that this statement is correct because a lot of gay people in South Africa don&#8217;t act like they care about it. But I&#8217;m sure once we start marrying each other and proving that we can actually be faithful and monogamous, Steve will see the error of his statement and apologize.</p>
<p>Till that happens , are we going to enjoy being handbag gays for political parties and complain about a straight guy ranting that a college student doesn&#8217;t care about kids yet&#8230; or are we going to be more active in inspiring pro-gay activities in  all the political groups and start making use of our beautiful right to marry one another whilst the world still allows it?        </p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally more of a wallet kind of guy myself&#8230;</p>
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