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		By: Arno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 06:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry and I got married at Helderfontein Estate in Lonehill, Johannesburg in 2010.  The service was superb and I would strongly recommend them.  At the time, we were their first gay male couple to host our wedding their and they had previously done a couple of lesbian weddings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Barry and I got married at Helderfontein Estate in Lonehill, Johannesburg in 2010.  The service was superb and I would strongly recommend them.  At the time, we were their first gay male couple to host our wedding their and they had previously done a couple of lesbian weddings.</p>
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		By: Christa Badenhorst		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christa Badenhorst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Riaan and Daniel  got married at Glenburn Lodge - the photos tell the story of a lovely day!
http://www.lindyleeming.co.za/blog/weddings/glenburn-lodge-wedding-riaan-and-daniel/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Riaan and Daniel  got married at Glenburn Lodge &#8211; the photos tell the story of a lovely day!<br />
<a href="http://www.lindyleeming.co.za/blog/weddings/glenburn-lodge-wedding-riaan-and-daniel/" rel="nofollow ugc">link to lindyleeming.co.za</a></p>
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		By: Christa Badenhorst		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christa Badenhorst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What an unfortunate turn of events! Guvon Hotels &#038; Spas (we have seven hotels and 4 spas in the portfolio) have been proud sponsors of Mr Gay SA for a number of competitions and years as organsisers John ONeill and Coenie Kukkuk will confirm, as well as Francois and previous Mr Gay SA&#039;s.  We would love to host your wedding at any of our venues. There are some super winter wedding specials available so have a look at the venues and let us know if we can help!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>What an unfortunate turn of events! Guvon Hotels &amp; Spas (we have seven hotels and 4 spas in the portfolio) have been proud sponsors of Mr Gay SA for a number of competitions and years as organsisers John ONeill and Coenie Kukkuk will confirm, as well as Francois and previous Mr Gay SA&#8217;s.  We would love to host your wedding at any of our venues. There are some super winter wedding specials available so have a look at the venues and let us know if we can help!</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ben what a pile of BS. Our constitution allows freedom of religion but your religion may not encroach on any of our other human right i.e. you cant start a religion that says I don&#039;t serve black people and then not serve black people. A public service company may not discriminate, period,  publicised or otherwise. As for Affirmative Action, this is an explicit exclusion i.e. you can discriminate if and only if it is to right the wrongs of apartheid. 

What these homophobes are doing is ilegal plain and simple, just like similar offenders expect to see a fine going their way. As for the public I encourage you to boycott any wedding held at the wedding factory otherwise know as Oakfield farm - communicate this to your straight mates - if they&#039;re real friends they&#039;ll pick a different venue - this  venue is characterless and tacky at best so you&#039;ll be doing them a favour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>@Ben what a pile of BS. Our constitution allows freedom of religion but your religion may not encroach on any of our other human right i.e. you cant start a religion that says I don&#8217;t serve black people and then not serve black people. A public service company may not discriminate, period,  publicised or otherwise. As for Affirmative Action, this is an explicit exclusion i.e. you can discriminate if and only if it is to right the wrongs of apartheid. </p>
<p>What these homophobes are doing is ilegal plain and simple, just like similar offenders expect to see a fine going their way. As for the public I encourage you to boycott any wedding held at the wedding factory otherwise know as Oakfield farm &#8211; communicate this to your straight mates &#8211; if they&#8217;re real friends they&#8217;ll pick a different venue &#8211; this  venue is characterless and tacky at best so you&#8217;ll be doing them a favour.</p>
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		By: Anton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oakfield Farm : Come celebrate your union in our field of bigotry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Oakfield Farm : Come celebrate your union in our field of bigotry.</p>
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		By: Benjamin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a&gt;

I am a gay man and I am married -  If I was Mr Stubbs I would shrug my shoulders and tell people to piss off... and this is why... I went to the Equality Court Website to see if I can find any data on previous cases or current cases, sadly none listed.  Merely stating it is against the law leaves room for interpretation. 

 The Constitution of SA and Bill of Rights categorically states that people should be free of any discrimination against gender, orientation, race and religion... HOWEVER....
The Bill of Rights does not deny the existence of any other rights or freedoms that are recognised and therefore the RIGHT to discriminate based on RELIGION is allowed, provided that he is not selective - eg: all gay couples are excluded from his venue. You can not say lesbians are allowed by gay males are not - as that would constitute Discrimination based on Sexual Orientation which would make it illegal and you would have a right to complain. 

Mr. Stubbs did offer an apology and has since updated his website to categorically state that he will not entertain weddings which is against his religions believes. This might make him a bigot and a stupid business man, but it most certainly makes him right. If people are insisting on saying this is against the Constitution then you only need to look at the BEE Policy in SA to see that our Constitution can indeed discriminate. 
If you cant remember that far back... when campaigners argued for Marriage Equality we stop short of demanding that every church must facilitate gay weddings... why, because that would infringe on their religious right, and in the end it was the compromise need to pass the law.  Most churches thereafter changed their own mind on it and have subsequently opened their doors freely. 

In my opinion, if you go to a Wedding Venue which does not cater for Gay Weddings - then just put its name on your black list and tell all your friends and move on. Imagine when straight people want to plan their wedding there and phone the florist who promptly tells them based on their policy on Gay Weddings - I as a gay florist will not do your flowers... or I as a gay  wedding cake company, or I as Wedding Dress Maker... 

Weddings cost and generates a lot of money and any business will be stupid to turn it away ... but as such I see no problem with Mr Stubbs opinion apart from being a Knut.]]></description>
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<p>I am a gay man and I am married &#8211;  If I was Mr Stubbs I would shrug my shoulders and tell people to piss off&#8230; and this is why&#8230; I went to the Equality Court Website to see if I can find any data on previous cases or current cases, sadly none listed.  Merely stating it is against the law leaves room for interpretation. </p>
<p> The Constitution of SA and Bill of Rights categorically states that people should be free of any discrimination against gender, orientation, race and religion&#8230; HOWEVER&#8230;.<br />
The Bill of Rights does not deny the existence of any other rights or freedoms that are recognised and therefore the RIGHT to discriminate based on RELIGION is allowed, provided that he is not selective &#8211; eg: all gay couples are excluded from his venue. You can not say lesbians are allowed by gay males are not &#8211; as that would constitute Discrimination based on Sexual Orientation which would make it illegal and you would have a right to complain. </p>
<p>Mr. Stubbs did offer an apology and has since updated his website to categorically state that he will not entertain weddings which is against his religions believes. This might make him a bigot and a stupid business man, but it most certainly makes him right. If people are insisting on saying this is against the Constitution then you only need to look at the BEE Policy in SA to see that our Constitution can indeed discriminate.<br />
If you cant remember that far back&#8230; when campaigners argued for Marriage Equality we stop short of demanding that every church must facilitate gay weddings&#8230; why, because that would infringe on their religious right, and in the end it was the compromise need to pass the law.  Most churches thereafter changed their own mind on it and have subsequently opened their doors freely. </p>
<p>In my opinion, if you go to a Wedding Venue which does not cater for Gay Weddings &#8211; then just put its name on your black list and tell all your friends and move on. Imagine when straight people want to plan their wedding there and phone the florist who promptly tells them based on their policy on Gay Weddings &#8211; I as a gay florist will not do your flowers&#8230; or I as a gay  wedding cake company, or I as Wedding Dress Maker&#8230; </p>
<p>Weddings cost and generates a lot of money and any business will be stupid to turn it away &#8230; but as such I see no problem with Mr Stubbs opinion apart from being a Knut.</a></p>
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		By: Xuan du Plessis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xuan du Plessis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mamba, please can you keep you finger on the pulse in finding out what is happening further on some of the cases.  I for one, as a Gay Married Man, would love to support and drive any case against any and ALL hate mongering!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Mamba, please can you keep you finger on the pulse in finding out what is happening further on some of the cases.  I for one, as a Gay Married Man, would love to support and drive any case against any and ALL hate mongering!</p>
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