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	Comments on: Cape Town Pride race row grows as Alternative Pride launched	</title>
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		By: Zayne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very ridiculous. .. as a non white ive noticed 90% of all activism comes from white ppl who give freely to a cause with all they have be cause they believe in giving it all they have...the rest cant even contribute their time but hey theyll come anyway..  gay rdp. Reality is events are not paid for buy the pot of gold at the end of the &quot;rainbow&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Very ridiculous. .. as a non white ive noticed 90% of all activism comes from white ppl who give freely to a cause with all they have be cause they believe in giving it all they have&#8230;the rest cant even contribute their time but hey theyll come anyway..  gay rdp. Reality is events are not paid for buy the pot of gold at the end of the &#8220;rainbow&#8221;</p>
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		By: Marcus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-708407&quot;&gt;politicts of pride&lt;/a&gt;.

I find your comment extremely interesting...in the fact that it is completely ignorant! Social Media is the way forward it is the one way to get messages out to the masses extremely quick. This idea that people need personal invites served on golden platters to meeting is completely ludicrous! Secondly, you seem to know the festival director pretty well, which I doubt, but you are implying a lot of stuff that could be defaming in a huge way. Without facts you better keep your comments to what you know about the person.

Now lets talk about how INCLUSIVE the other Pride is. From their FB group they seem very exclusive in my eys. Also, all their meetings and events have gone out via Facebook, Whatsapp and Twitter. I am not sure how inclusive that is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-708407">politicts of pride</a>.</p>
<p>I find your comment extremely interesting&#8230;in the fact that it is completely ignorant! Social Media is the way forward it is the one way to get messages out to the masses extremely quick. This idea that people need personal invites served on golden platters to meeting is completely ludicrous! Secondly, you seem to know the festival director pretty well, which I doubt, but you are implying a lot of stuff that could be defaming in a huge way. Without facts you better keep your comments to what you know about the person.</p>
<p>Now lets talk about how INCLUSIVE the other Pride is. From their FB group they seem very exclusive in my eys. Also, all their meetings and events have gone out via Facebook, Whatsapp and Twitter. I am not sure how inclusive that is.</p>
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		By: PARAMANEL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PARAMANEL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two prides down , two to go 
I suppose  they will go after The Pink Lourie next]]></description>
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I suppose  they will go after The Pink Lourie next</p>
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		By: politicts of pride		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[politicts of pride]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 06:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758&quot;&gt;Miss De Bouchet&lt;/a&gt;.

planning public stake holder meetings through social media is the new way of excluding people! if you are into gossip and such like the ilk of the festival director then social media works!  
And knowing the antics of the festival director not much was done as regards to inviting people to be part, just enough for &quot;him&quot;or &quot;them&quot;&quot; to retain control.
 There might be some racist undertones (as I am someone that does not buy to that nonsense) . But that cape town pride is currently dysfunctional and self serving. Very much so!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758">Miss De Bouchet</a>.</p>
<p>planning public stake holder meetings through social media is the new way of excluding people! if you are into gossip and such like the ilk of the festival director then social media works!<br />
And knowing the antics of the festival director not much was done as regards to inviting people to be part, just enough for &#8220;him&#8221;or &#8220;them&#8221;&#8221; to retain control.<br />
 There might be some racist undertones (as I am someone that does not buy to that nonsense) . But that cape town pride is currently dysfunctional and self serving. Very much so!</p>
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		By: politicts of pride		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-708398</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[politicts of pride]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 06:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707732&quot;&gt;Tommy Patterson&lt;/a&gt;.

where is the cape town pride money going,..for the past 3 years! accounts audits etc are needed! Before you start saying the alternative pride event organisers are interested in making money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707732">Tommy Patterson</a>.</p>
<p>where is the cape town pride money going,..for the past 3 years! accounts audits etc are needed! Before you start saying the alternative pride event organisers are interested in making money.</p>
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		By: Pungpi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pungpi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758&quot;&gt;Miss De Bouchet&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s that word again, &quot;problematic&quot;. Try letting the &quot;people of colour&quot; and &quot;other races, genders and sexual orientations&quot; speak for themselves. They have cellphones, and twitter, and Facebook, nowadays. As a &quot;coloured&quot; gay man, (or does that word &quot;trigger&quot; you? Oh I&#039;m so TERRIBLY sorry sweetie!)  I have stood up for myself in my school, then in university, and now in life, and I don&#039;t need some whitey privileged type trying to say that Cape Town Pride (MY Pride) isn&#039;t &quot;black&quot; enough, or &quot;transgender&quot; enough. Pride is what it is, everybody&#039;s been happy with it for years, so take your social justice nonsies somewhere else sister.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758">Miss De Bouchet</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s that word again, &#8220;problematic&#8221;. Try letting the &#8220;people of colour&#8221; and &#8220;other races, genders and sexual orientations&#8221; speak for themselves. They have cellphones, and twitter, and Facebook, nowadays. As a &#8220;coloured&#8221; gay man, (or does that word &#8220;trigger&#8221; you? Oh I&#8217;m so TERRIBLY sorry sweetie!)  I have stood up for myself in my school, then in university, and now in life, and I don&#8217;t need some whitey privileged type trying to say that Cape Town Pride (MY Pride) isn&#8217;t &#8220;black&#8221; enough, or &#8220;transgender&#8221; enough. Pride is what it is, everybody&#8217;s been happy with it for years, so take your social justice nonsies somewhere else sister.</p>
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		By: Thurlo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thurlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758&quot;&gt;Miss De Bouchet&lt;/a&gt;.

Brilliant comment. Fully agree with you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707758">Miss De Bouchet</a>.</p>
<p>Brilliant comment. Fully agree with you.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is just getting ridiculous! Why is race always used as an excuse to attack the organisers, or because someone felt left out, or its too commercial for one&#039;s own tastes. Fighting for recognition for lgbt rights should be paramount everyday, pride parade is a place where we just enjoy our lives as lgbt people in one week or even one day. It happens once a year with enjoyment. And who are these people who are saying they weren&#039;t invited or don&#039;t feel as if they belong, just bloody go! No one is stopping you at all! Have fun with friends and family, you don&#039;t have to take notice of who&#039;s there and who&#039;s not. First step is to go for yourself because you are proud of who you are and who you love. Then have some drinks and SOCIALISE WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!! Make some new friends or even find your potential boyfriend/girlfriend. At the end of the day have fun, and stop with this foolish &quot;We&#039;re going this way, you go that way.&quot; junk! And people, stop with this &quot;mad black queers&quot; you&#039;re just adding fuel to the fire. Its kinda hypocritical to say stop being racist towards white people (or any other race really) then turn around and say those foolish insults. And for God&#039;s sake, stop whining! Its 2015 get over yourselves and join together! Viva la Pride mense, viva la pride. All smiles you gorgeous people! (and I mean all people, djy moet nie soek va&#039; k** hier nie!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>This is just getting ridiculous! Why is race always used as an excuse to attack the organisers, or because someone felt left out, or its too commercial for one&#8217;s own tastes. Fighting for recognition for lgbt rights should be paramount everyday, pride parade is a place where we just enjoy our lives as lgbt people in one week or even one day. It happens once a year with enjoyment. And who are these people who are saying they weren&#8217;t invited or don&#8217;t feel as if they belong, just bloody go! No one is stopping you at all! Have fun with friends and family, you don&#8217;t have to take notice of who&#8217;s there and who&#8217;s not. First step is to go for yourself because you are proud of who you are and who you love. Then have some drinks and SOCIALISE WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE!!! Make some new friends or even find your potential boyfriend/girlfriend. At the end of the day have fun, and stop with this foolish &#8220;We&#8217;re going this way, you go that way.&#8221; junk! And people, stop with this &#8220;mad black queers&#8221; you&#8217;re just adding fuel to the fire. Its kinda hypocritical to say stop being racist towards white people (or any other race really) then turn around and say those foolish insults. And for God&#8217;s sake, stop whining! Its 2015 get over yourselves and join together! Viva la Pride mense, viva la pride. All smiles you gorgeous people! (and I mean all people, djy moet nie soek va&#8217; k** hier nie!)</p>
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		By: Miss De Bouchet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss De Bouchet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it problematic that Cape Town Pride &quot;doesn&#039;t see race or gender&quot; and that they identify exclusively as Gay. This only serves to deny the various struggles faced by people of  different races, genders and sexual orientations. The festival director Matthew Van As who has been around for 3 years should know better as suggestions for change have been made plenty times even before last year. Also, who organises public stakeholder meetings exclusively over social media? People won&#039;t pitch if you don&#039;t phone them, e-mail them, or try to help out with transport to the meeting venue especially for poorer people who don&#039;t have money for transport. That&#039;s one lesson I had to learn while working in a Pride movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>I find it problematic that Cape Town Pride &#8220;doesn&#8217;t see race or gender&#8221; and that they identify exclusively as Gay. This only serves to deny the various struggles faced by people of  different races, genders and sexual orientations. The festival director Matthew Van As who has been around for 3 years should know better as suggestions for change have been made plenty times even before last year. Also, who organises public stakeholder meetings exclusively over social media? People won&#8217;t pitch if you don&#8217;t phone them, e-mail them, or try to help out with transport to the meeting venue especially for poorer people who don&#8217;t have money for transport. That&#8217;s one lesson I had to learn while working in a Pride movement.</p>
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		By: Pungpi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pungpi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707732&quot;&gt;Tommy Patterson&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think they&#039;re homophobic racists, but they are undoubtedly toxic &quot;social justice&quot; campaigners who keep clamoring for &quot;inclusivity&quot; and &quot;representivity&quot; and &quot;safe spaces&quot; when in actual fact all they ever end up doing is creating a giant echo chamber for their Authoritarian Left viewpoint that will not allow any dissenting voices or a spectrum of opinion. 

Identity politics is ruining our social landscape, one organisation at a time, and it&#039;s high time us fags pushed back against these people, particularly people like Nyx McLean who is a white woman, yet claims to speak for non-white LGBT people. I&#039;m a coloured faggot, lady, and I can goddamn speak for myself. Go back to your &quot;social justice&quot; hugbox and leave us the hell alone!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2015/02/20/cape-town-pride-race-debate-grows-alternative-pride-launched/#comment-707732">Tommy Patterson</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re homophobic racists, but they are undoubtedly toxic &#8220;social justice&#8221; campaigners who keep clamoring for &#8220;inclusivity&#8221; and &#8220;representivity&#8221; and &#8220;safe spaces&#8221; when in actual fact all they ever end up doing is creating a giant echo chamber for their Authoritarian Left viewpoint that will not allow any dissenting voices or a spectrum of opinion. </p>
<p>Identity politics is ruining our social landscape, one organisation at a time, and it&#8217;s high time us fags pushed back against these people, particularly people like Nyx McLean who is a white woman, yet claims to speak for non-white LGBT people. I&#8217;m a coloured faggot, lady, and I can goddamn speak for myself. Go back to your &#8220;social justice&#8221; hugbox and leave us the hell alone!</p>
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