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		By: Rohan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rohan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vote. DA to me are hypocrites, today&#039;s newspaper had rumours of a DA/Cope Alliance ! Perhaps its now the &#039;desperate alliance&#039; ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Vote. DA to me are hypocrites, today&#8217;s newspaper had rumours of a DA/Cope Alliance ! Perhaps its now the &#8216;desperate alliance&#8217; ?</p>
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		By: Jabba		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jabba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8435&quot;&gt;Samantha&lt;/a&gt;.

Black, gay AND voting DA!. Samantha, you don&#039;t seem to understand what being a liberal means. The American definition of &quot;liberal&quot; is what the rest of the world calls &quot;social democratic&quot; which is what the Labour Party also is. If those are the parties you identify with, then you are not really a liberal, although you may be semi-liberal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The DA is a party for all South Africans from every background, community and socio-economic status. I&#039;ll bet you haven&#039;t even read the DA&#039;s manifesto to see what its proposals are for improving the lives of the poor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You may want to ask your COPE leaders why they REALLY formed the party. If they are honest with you, you&#039;ll find that THEY are motivated by advancing the interests of the few, i.e. Mbeki&#039;s cronies and inner circle favourites who were ousted at Polokwane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8435">Samantha</a>.</p>
<p>Black, gay AND voting DA!. Samantha, you don&#8217;t seem to understand what being a liberal means. The American definition of &#8220;liberal&#8221; is what the rest of the world calls &#8220;social democratic&#8221; which is what the Labour Party also is. If those are the parties you identify with, then you are not really a liberal, although you may be semi-liberal.</p>
<p>The DA is a party for all South Africans from every background, community and socio-economic status. I&#8217;ll bet you haven&#8217;t even read the DA&#8217;s manifesto to see what its proposals are for improving the lives of the poor.</p>
<p>You may want to ask your COPE leaders why they REALLY formed the party. If they are honest with you, you&#8217;ll find that THEY are motivated by advancing the interests of the few, i.e. Mbeki&#8217;s cronies and inner circle favourites who were ousted at Polokwane.</p>
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		By: Samantha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8437&quot;&gt;Jabba&lt;/a&gt;.

Your ad. Jabba - Thanks for responding to my comment. I may not agree with you but you&#039;re welcome to your opinion. My vote is my choice and if you&#039;re trying to get me to switch to the DA - you&#039;re going about it the wrong way by attacking me and my friends for not supporting your party of choice. Live and let live - we&#039;re COPEing and standing up to defend the constitution which inlcudes the sexual orientation clause! COPE is my choice and voice - you&#039;re welcome to vote as you wish. Lots of love, Sam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8437">Jabba</a>.</p>
<p>Your ad. Jabba &#8211; Thanks for responding to my comment. I may not agree with you but you&#8217;re welcome to your opinion. My vote is my choice and if you&#8217;re trying to get me to switch to the DA &#8211; you&#8217;re going about it the wrong way by attacking me and my friends for not supporting your party of choice. Live and let live &#8211; we&#8217;re COPEing and standing up to defend the constitution which inlcudes the sexual orientation clause! COPE is my choice and voice &#8211; you&#8217;re welcome to vote as you wish. Lots of love, Sam.</p>
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		By: Daclere		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daclere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like DA. I have really struggled this year. I have always valued the ANC for having resisted local and international pressure on the equality clause, and ensure constitutional protection of GLT people. Unfortunately, i have become horribly concerned at the ANC&#039;s international motions (or lack thereof), rhetoric on constitutional issues (Dali Lama - and I don&#039;t like the dude myself) and perverse ironies when called to stand for something on principle. I cannot in all good conscience ignore these horrible betrayals of what was once a noble, principled party. The DA has never been a choice for me, being white, elitist and a party of individuals (as opposed to the collective). Under Tony Leon there was no-one other than him (and perhaps Gibson). Zille runs the risk of being another Tony, and is well advised to ensure the promotion and development of other competent people within the party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ironically I liked the ACDP when it first started out, although its radical fundamentalism has over time become a scary reality of Christian conservatism designed to hide intolerance and inconsistency. Love the sinner not the sin, has to be one of the greatest betrayals of principles ever. A politically correct form of expounding hatred for others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;COPE is not an option for me.......its a splinter of the ANC founded on ex-Mbeki loyalists. I did not like the ANC under Mbeki, and cannot endorse a party founded on its (the ANC&#039;s) failings. These men and women were in government, responsible for many of the policies we have inherited, and thus have an inheritance in the damage caused. A new name does not hide a multiplicity of wrongs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alas it is only the DA, and then with some reluctance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Looks like DA. I have really struggled this year. I have always valued the ANC for having resisted local and international pressure on the equality clause, and ensure constitutional protection of GLT people. Unfortunately, i have become horribly concerned at the ANC&#8217;s international motions (or lack thereof), rhetoric on constitutional issues (Dali Lama &#8211; and I don&#8217;t like the dude myself) and perverse ironies when called to stand for something on principle. I cannot in all good conscience ignore these horrible betrayals of what was once a noble, principled party. The DA has never been a choice for me, being white, elitist and a party of individuals (as opposed to the collective). Under Tony Leon there was no-one other than him (and perhaps Gibson). Zille runs the risk of being another Tony, and is well advised to ensure the promotion and development of other competent people within the party.</p>
<p>Ironically I liked the ACDP when it first started out, although its radical fundamentalism has over time become a scary reality of Christian conservatism designed to hide intolerance and inconsistency. Love the sinner not the sin, has to be one of the greatest betrayals of principles ever. A politically correct form of expounding hatred for others.</p>
<p>COPE is not an option for me&#8230;&#8230;.its a splinter of the ANC founded on ex-Mbeki loyalists. I did not like the ANC under Mbeki, and cannot endorse a party founded on its (the ANC&#8217;s) failings. These men and women were in government, responsible for many of the policies we have inherited, and thus have an inheritance in the damage caused. A new name does not hide a multiplicity of wrongs.</p>
<p>Alas it is only the DA, and then with some reluctance.</p>
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		By: Daclere		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daclere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8435&quot;&gt;Samantha&lt;/a&gt;.

Disagree!. COPE has many members who were in government under Mbeki. They like him are responsible for a government that become in my opinion intolerant of different opinions, and almost belligerent to the public&#039;s demand for change (look at Manto&#039;s continued support under Mbeki and his cabinet members). When ousted Mbeki naively asked, &quot;why did no-one disagree and challenge me when in office?&quot; Perhaps this is one of the most politically naive, but telling questions ever......precisely, why did these men and women not resist those policies and mandates that we have now come to regret. COPE is not an option for me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I trust you will receive my opinion from whence it has come. Genuine concern and respect for your opinion and choice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8435">Samantha</a>.</p>
<p>Disagree!. COPE has many members who were in government under Mbeki. They like him are responsible for a government that become in my opinion intolerant of different opinions, and almost belligerent to the public&#8217;s demand for change (look at Manto&#8217;s continued support under Mbeki and his cabinet members). When ousted Mbeki naively asked, &#8220;why did no-one disagree and challenge me when in office?&#8221; Perhaps this is one of the most politically naive, but telling questions ever&#8230;&#8230;precisely, why did these men and women not resist those policies and mandates that we have now come to regret. COPE is not an option for me.</p>
<p>I trust you will receive my opinion from whence it has come. Genuine concern and respect for your opinion and choice.</p>
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		By: Arno		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any party that enhances democracy!. Any party that enhances our democracy is good.  It would make sense to try our best to lift the recently undemocratic, dictatorial ANC out of their seats!  We shouldn&#039;t waste time on small, insignaficant parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Any party that enhances democracy!. Any party that enhances our democracy is good.  It would make sense to try our best to lift the recently undemocratic, dictatorial ANC out of their seats!  We shouldn&#8217;t waste time on small, insignaficant parties.</p>
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		By: Samantha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8440&quot;&gt;Daclere&lt;/a&gt;.

Your response - Declarre. Thanks for the reponse. Your&#039;e perfectly entitled to you opinion. Moreover, you&#039;re welcome to vote for whomever you wish to do so - it&#039;s a hard fought for democratic right which I treasure since neither myself nor my mom or dad was allowed to vote or have any say in government prior to &#039;94. I&#039;ve indicated my choice and I&#039;m happy with it. I suppose we will have to wait for the 23rd to see what the results are and who emerges as the official opposition. Take care and lots of love, Sam]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8440">Daclere</a>.</p>
<p>Your response &#8211; Declarre. Thanks for the reponse. Your&#8217;e perfectly entitled to you opinion. Moreover, you&#8217;re welcome to vote for whomever you wish to do so &#8211; it&#8217;s a hard fought for democratic right which I treasure since neither myself nor my mom or dad was allowed to vote or have any say in government prior to &#8217;94. I&#8217;ve indicated my choice and I&#8217;m happy with it. I suppose we will have to wait for the 23rd to see what the results are and who emerges as the official opposition. Take care and lots of love, Sam</p>
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		By: Eevie		</title>
		<link>https://www.mambaonline.com/2009/04/15/mamba-voters-guide/#comment-8443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eevie]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its nice to see an article like this on the website. As a conscientious voter and openly gay woman, i also did research on the various parties and had come to the conclusion that the only viable party to vote for would be the DA. Glad to see i&#039;m not alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Its nice to see an article like this on the website. As a conscientious voter and openly gay woman, i also did research on the various parties and had come to the conclusion that the only viable party to vote for would be the DA. Glad to see i&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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		By: distraction		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[distraction]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Day late dollar short. Thanks for this article, but it would have been nice to have seen it before the 15th, when I voted along with another estimated 16 000 voters. Yes the number is small but votes do add up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did do my own research in the end and my choice wouldn&#039;t have been changed by this article, but I&#039;m sure there are others out there who would have these opinions enlightening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Day late dollar short. Thanks for this article, but it would have been nice to have seen it before the 15th, when I voted along with another estimated 16 000 voters. Yes the number is small but votes do add up.</p>
<p>I did do my own research in the end and my choice wouldn&#8217;t have been changed by this article, but I&#8217;m sure there are others out there who would have these opinions enlightening.</p>
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		By: Brett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your DA endorsement is short-sighted. I am an openly gay candidate placed 8th on the ID&#039;s national parliament list and 3rd on the W Cape provincial list.  It is unfortunate that you have endorsed the DA on the basis that it has de_clared 5 candidates as gay.  The DA won&#039;t even openly endorse gay marriage - rather it allowed its MP&#039;s to vote against this on the basis of &quot;conscience&quot;.  Contrary to your comment that the ID does not speak out about LGBT issues - except at election time - the ID was the only party to consult the LGBT community on the gay marriage issue and then vote against the Bill - not because we oppose gay marriage - but because the Bill (which became an Act) created a separate marriage - a separate but equal status - and because the Act allows Marriage Officers, including those employed by the State, to refuse to marry same-sex partners on their basis of their prejudiced beliefs.  Just today, in Khayelitsha, the DA was completely absent amongst the crowd of supporters and protesters outside the Regional court where the trial of 9 men accused of the hate crime of murdering a young woman because she was Lesbian was meant to continue.  The DA was the only political party not to be represented and to make a statement of support.  Recently on a radio debate the DA representative asserted, after being challenged by a right wing party, that the reason they did not stop same-sex marriages being legislated is because they do not have the numbers in parliament to defeat the ANC.  The basis of your support for the DA, particularly when it comes to LGBT issues, completely defies reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <p>Your DA endorsement is short-sighted. I am an openly gay candidate placed 8th on the ID&#8217;s national parliament list and 3rd on the W Cape provincial list.  It is unfortunate that you have endorsed the DA on the basis that it has de_clared 5 candidates as gay.  The DA won&#8217;t even openly endorse gay marriage &#8211; rather it allowed its MP&#8217;s to vote against this on the basis of &#8220;conscience&#8221;.  Contrary to your comment that the ID does not speak out about LGBT issues &#8211; except at election time &#8211; the ID was the only party to consult the LGBT community on the gay marriage issue and then vote against the Bill &#8211; not because we oppose gay marriage &#8211; but because the Bill (which became an Act) created a separate marriage &#8211; a separate but equal status &#8211; and because the Act allows Marriage Officers, including those employed by the State, to refuse to marry same-sex partners on their basis of their prejudiced beliefs.  Just today, in Khayelitsha, the DA was completely absent amongst the crowd of supporters and protesters outside the Regional court where the trial of 9 men accused of the hate crime of murdering a young woman because she was Lesbian was meant to continue.  The DA was the only political party not to be represented and to make a statement of support.  Recently on a radio debate the DA representative asserted, after being challenged by a right wing party, that the reason they did not stop same-sex marriages being legislated is because they do not have the numbers in parliament to defeat the ANC.  The basis of your support for the DA, particularly when it comes to LGBT issues, completely defies reason.</p>
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