WHY I ATTEND PRIDE
At this time of the year, a week or so before Joburg Pride, the question is often asked in Gauteng and surrounds: “Are you going to Pride?”
I purposefully ask it of others every time I have the opportunity – directly or on chat forums on the Internet or via e-mail – just to see what the reaction will be.
Most of my friends simply say “Yes”, but there are also the inevitable negative replies; followed by a reason. And if one is not offered, I prod until I get one. Here are some of the common explanations I’ve heard for not attending, and my responses to them.
“We have all the rights we need, why march?”
This response shows, with respect, a degree of ignorance, which is in some cases understandable, but still very alarming. We DO NOT have all the rights we need; the Civil Union Bill being a case in point. The Marriage Act is still only reserved for heterosexuals, still unchanged on the law books, and thus not equal.
But much more serious is the current political climate which does not favour gay rights. We all know that Jacob Zuma is the presumptive President of South Africa after the 2009 elections, and we all also know that he has made remarks about gays that, if not hate speech, border on it. Although he later offered an apology, that was before he was elected president of the ANC or charges against him were dropped.
Jon Qwelane, one of the most vocal supporters of Zuma in the media, pleaded in his controversial article in the Sunday Sun in July that people in the ruling party “should use their heads” and scrap gay rights. The Constitution can be amended with few difficulties; we are already at the 14th amendment since the Constitution came into effect in 1996. That’s, on average, more than one amendment a year.
We live on a continent where, out of 61 countries and territories, we are the only one to protect gay rights. In most of the others, gays are oppressed and in some actively prosecuted, tortured and even killed. These countries frequently make known their displeasure about South Africa protecting its gay citizens and especially for legalising same-sex marriages.
And, even with our constitution, gays and lesbians are still being discriminated against, raped and killed. Pity you could not ask the question above to the many dead lesbians in our townships… Thus Pride’s theme this year: “Love, not hate”.
So, are you going to wait until we are yet again persecuted by the state; as many in our country would want (as seen during the public hearings about the Civil Union Bill) or are you going to be pro-active and pre-emptive and take a stand by attending Pride?
“Ons is nie almal so nie” – “All of us are not like that”
This is a phrase taken from Antjie Krog, the poet, and used by a well-known gay Afrikaans TV presenter to distance himself from “the scene”, and by implication, Pride. It is normally said by people ignorant of Pride altogether. All they have seen are the media images of flamboyant drag queens and strange outfits, or near-naked men parading around.
They have usually not attended a Pride in their lives, and if they have, did not participate fully or stood on the sidelines – and then still see fit to criticise Pride.
They never mention or actually understand that the ‘over the top’ costumes are donned by a very small, if not miniscule, percentage of participants, who are mostly on floats that are competing for a prize as the most colourful or parading representing an organisation or place of leisure. The thousands of the so-called “normal” gay people in the parade with “normal” attire do not make it to the papers and on TV screens.
Talking of which, SABC did not even mention Pride last year, nor the year before as I remember, and ETV only in passing. None of the Afrikaans newspapers mentioned a word, and very few in the English press. So the chances of someone seeing you, with someone like “them”, in the media are virtually nil.
A further case in point: Pride is our day, so what is wrong with dressing up? What do people do in the very straight St. Patrick Parades all over the world, or the Rio Carnival or the Berlin Love Parade? I have visited the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras many times – and tickets to the After Party are sold out weeks in advance.
The rule there? You are not even allowed in if you are not dressed according to the theme. The attendance figure? 25 000. So stop being a sourpuss, it really is a day of celebration. Show it.
“We are not part of the scene”
This reason is given by many who are in relationships and not frequenting gay clubs or socials anymore, or those who have grown tired of the so-called “scene”, or never have been part of it; whatever “the scene” may be.
What these people do not consider is that Pride is a fair day, not a big drunken and/or chemically enhanced free-for-all. It is definitely not “the scene”. The fair day at Zoo Lake starts at 10 am, and the floats leave at 11 am. After their return at about 1pm, people do frequent the beer and wine gardens, but there are many other stalls plus the entertainment on stage.
The crowd during the last few Prides was well-behaved and, especially last year, the many families attending with straight parents and/or kids were very evident. Pride does not present an official after-party, but instead leaves it up to the clubs to stage their own after-parties. Nobody compels you to attend any of them. I have to say that I saw far less people “out of it”, for whatever reason, at Pride last year than at other ‘straight’ festivals I frequently attend; Splashy Fen and Oppikoppi being cases in point.
I’ve heard other justifications for not attending Pride in addition to these more common explanations, but, whatever reasons they may be, they all seem to miss the point of Pride.
Pride is something that one can only experience when you do attend: it’s the sense of community, the sense of “I belong”, the sense of total acceptance. It’s a feeling that can not be recreated anywhere else; and those denying it are themselves, more often than not, in denial.
See you at Pride!
Joburg Pride 2008 takes place this Saturday, 4th October. Gates open at Zoo Lake Sports Club from 9am. Entrance is free. The parade begins at 11am and is expected to return to the start at around 12.30pm. Soft-drink and water points will be provided for marchers and pets. The post-parade celebrations continue until 6pm.
Coenie Kukkuk
Coenie is editor of Gayspeak
Kukkuk on Pride. What is written in this piece shows some zeal, but not a great deal of insight. To try to assuage peoples” anxieties by saying that there has been very little media coverage over the last two years,a nd therefore it is unlikely that either oneself or pple whom one would like to diassociate self from, will be seen, is, frankly, rather silly. You can”t argue for the political importance of pride (which the writer gestures towards) and in the same breath be saying there is virtually no significant media coverage.
In so far as it is to hve any political impact, media representation in the mainstream is crucial.
The claim that one is somehow off track by saying that one doesn”t feel like them, with them being transvestites, is also a bit feeble.
U see, if we are going to make any progress, we need mainstream coverage, of a thoughtful kind.. and we”re unlikely to get it if in our own media, this is the best we can come up with.
Attack?. Why attack the writer personally? He is stating his opinion and a rather good one at that.
hey sabastion. well sabastion
gay pride is really about who u are and about being one in one together so yeah if u dont a prove of it then be it
so u got to be proud of who u are ok my dear its ashame what u say about the gay pride gay pride is also about helping people who cant do any thing for them selfs that s the fact just listen carefully what they say ok
its not about being in denial at all so heay wake up foe once and see what really does on arond u when u do go coz there are still people coming out of ther clost as well.
sexyhot
Kukkuk on Pride. I unfortunately have to agree with Sebastian and Yawner. I too find Pride utterly boring. I have personally had the “should-I-stay-or-should-I-go” argument with Coenie, the most notable one ending with Coenie telling me not to diss it before I tried it (albeit not in those specific words). I took his advice and went last year – I got involved to the point of physically working with the committee with organising things – but found it boring. Sure, it”s supposed to be “inclusive”, but the thing is, Pride is not aimed at gay people who have come to terms with their identity and as such live their lives without the label. I observed only the stereotyped homosexuals at Pride 2007 and felt completely out of place. This may be only my experience, but I will definitely not be attending Pride 2008.
Sourpuss?. Ahhh I get it! The sourpuss he refers to! Hi! Hallo!
Can it be?. Someone agrees with me? Goes to show, there are more disgruntled, EXPERIENCED, older and wiser gay people than the indignant set give credence for or to. I recognise anyone”s right to follow their (yawn) hearts, but the apart from Reader and C, I have yet to read an intelligent reply to our thinking without some sort of vitriolic personal attack.
Yes, it can. The average responses just goes to show what the average gay person is about, and that is why I do not attend Pride. Nothing to be proud about. Call me whatever you like…I can think of worse than ”sourpuss”! Enjoy Pride, girls.
Look above… Heh,
You didnt see my reply above did you .
” apocrypha – 2 Oct 2008 12:21 – No one knows TRUE Pride…. “
Or maybe it just didnt count as clever 😛 lol
hey yawan. hey yawn
look my dear its about what Reason you go to the pride but personally i like going to the gay pride coz we are sending a messge to the people who killed those black lesbians in the tonwship and believe me its really hard to be gay in the town ship coz i spoke to a few black lesbians and gays how its like being gay in the town ship but we as white gays are very lacky to be safer now dont you think coz the black gays get killed for being gay so yeah .
we as white gays were sending a messge love not hate am i right coz i did so tell me did u go to the After party well i did i went the to the firemens ball 5fm wow it was so fabulous gee that was the best time of my life well any how enjoy ur day ok would like to hear from u soon
regards
kenneth
What a lot of crap!. Sebastian worded it well. To add to his reply, I fail to understand why Coenie “prods” until he gets a reply unless it”s because he likes being provocative about a now oh-so-boring subject. I dislike his one sided reasoning. I have been to a few Prides, beginning with the very first. Lately, they have become a bit of an overhyped money making racket in my opinion. Worse, the politics surrounding some of the organisation just irritated me. Then there are the exclusivist tents or demarcated areas for the ”deserving” supporters, sponsors or media.. Yawn. I DO go to the Pride from time to time – certainly not every year – and certainly not out of an indignant sense of an “I”ll Show-You” type of Pride. I go because occasionally I bump into an old acquaintance, and perhaps – just perhaps – there may be someone who will look back at me (See, I get real too!). Frankly, Pride is a bit like 7de Laan… skip a few episodes or marches, and you haven”t missed much. Perhaps it serves a purpose for the younger set which still struggles with identities, or those whose cultures or religions preclude them from a sense of participation. Yawn again.. I couldn”t care less about the political opinions of Quelane or Zuma.. I was gay before them, and I”m still gay. I have NOTHING to prove. I certainly won”t be told why I MUST go to Pride. The article”s tone is patronising and contradictory.. Why not INVITE people to Pride for better reasons than provide unsubtle political rantings in the article? I feel another yawn coming on… better still I might consider marching around the Brooklyn police station.. Now THAT Coenie, would make a little more relevant statement! Pride Shmide.. (Hmm, I think I”ll consider going after all..)
Yawner. Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion and so is Conie.
See that u”re going to Pride in any case – well good on u.
Me to, and I come from NW all the wya.
All the way from NW. All the way from the NW! Whoop Whoop! I used to be a farm boy to *wink*
Farmboy. I still am *wink*)
u talk shite yawn. oh my dear
u talk a lot of shite do u know that coz u say that the gay pride is making money out of us gee u really really talk shite in fact the gay gay pride is about helping the people who cant do any thing for them selfs and thats the fact next time u go just listen to what the origansation really say wake up u dam stuipid ass
what do do u mean when u say u were gay then but but now u say u are gay i mean to say u really are ether gay or not so dont denaiy that u are gay and if people dont a prove of it then just leave them as they are .i am gay and really proud of it so i dont say i was gay then so wake up dear and gay pride is about what u really are and about being one in one .
ok leave sabastion alone
sexy
Pride shmide. I suppose I could launch into a lengthy tirade about sexyhot”s dithering ungrammatical response, but , yes, you guessed it I feel another yawn coming on. (See, I used a full stop!)
Spelling. I think Pride is all inclusive, even non-sensical writers are welcome at Pride! *wink*))
true. Imagine a test before the deed? Hmm, there”s a thought..
Don”t start *wink*. Otherwise the snotnoses say – You see – all they wanna do is screw.
*wink*
Screwing & Spelling. I have a friend who firmly believes that one should pick up/ date stupid people. Apparently they make up for it in bed.
I wont to mete yowr frend. I wood height two diproove hiz theary. Afetr awl, how can hi possibly bee wrong?
(Er.. care to reply with his stats?)
In that case. Unfortunately (or is that fortunately?) I”m not his pimp.
Money??. Y says:
“Lately, they have become a bit of an overhyped money making racket in my opinion.”
As far as I know, Pride is a Sect. 21 company – NOT for profit. This argument falls flat.
It is actually FOR the community. You are confusing the Pride FAIR DAY & PARADE being represented by Joburg Pride Festival Company and the after parties, which have nothing to do with Pride itself.
Fair point. Yes, I DO listen to more than one opinion. Thank you reader for correcting me on that issue.. So good to read a comment from an intelligent Reader.. *grin*
Agreed then. Then we basically do agree – I also think the After Parties are a bit overpriced, but hey, nobody is compelling anyone to go there. We have the fair day if you want to party – there”s bands and Stuart H playing all day and beer garden & stuff and it”s free.
No reason to HAVE to go to an After party, but of course, I will be!
hey reader. hey reader well u got one thing wrong about gay pride and money well let me tell u whats its really about the gay pride well when u go to the gay pride its about having pride in ur selfs as u really are and being open about it plus loving urself as u are and gay pride is also about helping those people who can not do any thing for them selfs so yeah so be greatful that we have our rights as u know what i am talking about and being open about it one guestion reader do u remenber long ago how it use to be when we didnt have our rights in that time i say thank God we have our rights coz now we can be open about not like long ago
love from kenneth
.. well not really… but if Sexyhot is attracted to a possible reply, I hope Reader will forgive me for using his Pseudonym.
Sexyhot, I have a gut wrenching feeling that you are sincere and that you have been maligned. Please though, consider using a full stop afetr each thought. It makes you look less (how shall I put this gently..) “uneducated” (hmm, that might not be your fault.. – let me try again) , “unattractive”.
Yes, that”s it.
Tell me – is what C writes correct? (See his posting “screwing and spelling”
Thanks, Yawner..
And no, I was not attacking Kukkard “personally” – I was making some points about the dreadful – and in the context disquieting – feebleness of his arguments…If “we” – and Kukkard doesn”t pause to consider the implications of that (Yawner does) – can”t mount a logically coherent and compelling argument for the thing, what hope.. A media event with no media coverage?
Yes, but…. True, some of Coenie”s points are not entirely coherent, but some are very correct indeed. His points about how we need to ensure that our rights are maintained, the fragility of the constitution and the current hostile environment for many gays and lesbians in SA are absolutely correct and relevant. The vehemence with which you choose to dismiss the entire piece because of some of its weaknesses smacks of a rather set and rigid perspective on the issue.
Agreed with Rolando. It seems that the attack on Coenie has nothing to do with the article but is actually personal. That”s very infantile. If you have a problem with him, sort it out with him and leave Pride out of it.
I will be attending!
it shouldn”t even be an issue, if you want to attend or not, do as you want to. But we homosexuals should not EVER be afraid or ashamed of being who we are, i go because i”m a proud gay man, i”m not a queen, i”m just a normal guy. And it”s always a great party! Yes there are drag queens and all sorts of strange outfits, but mostly just every day people enjoying themselves! And the annual event just emphasizes that we are here and others shouldn”t forget it! We all are equal!
Those people who have issues with going or being seen there clearly have issues with themselves being homosexual, whether it”s religious or whatever, it”s just sad!
Isay be proud and have fun – that”s what Pride is about!
Ditto Vodka. Ditto Vodka! That”s the spirit (pun intened!)
well i”m just being honest 🙂
Voddies. And slow on the Voddies at Pride *smiley*
Ack ok overdo it !
My 2 cents worth… Well I have read the article, and agree on the points that were made.
I go to pride, because It”s fun, that is the most important part, its a place where gay people come together, from your fabulous Drag”s to your muscle boys, everybody celebrating who they are… and showing to the world, and other people (Maybe even an unsure boy/girl watching), that its ok to be who you are, and you have nothing to be ashamed about… As the song goes, I am who I am!
Forget the political, politics and what have you, and just go and have fun. Dress up if you want, if not, so what. Fun is the key word here.
See all of you at pride!
Seems an enormous – and predictable – ability to miss the point. There is no personal attack on Kukkard. There is a DISagreement with much of wat he says, wich is scarcely logical..\
Pboy”s points ar fine, as far as they go….But, for instance, given wehre Pride is held, and give Mr Kukkard”s assurances (based on the last 2 yrs) that pple will not be seen, the whole thing of being proudly (for watever reason) OUT, is compromised. There are virtually NO pple as spectators on that route….So “we” look at ourselves.. OK, that”s a mixed sight, but it pushes towards a kind of wank – and has nothing to do with telling OTHERS that we”re ok with ourselves and they shyould be ok with us – and themselves – too.. *smiley*
Were Queer and were here!. I totally agree with Coenie. Like Coenie Ive also attended international Gay Pride events in New York and Sydney and there is more media coverage and support at these events. If fact its actually encouraged as visitors and participants at these Gay Pride events do bring in lots of pink money. My partner and I, together with our straight friends will also be attending this year pride and thats exactly what it is, Pride!
You go Gogoboy!. Proud of ppl like you – we will be there too.
Pride__-. I am definatly going, but i just think we should be PROUD all the time. Not just one day of the year…
…. Amen Sista!
Koena! Jy is ”n riem onder my hart!
Coennie, ek stem, daar is min mense wat hulle passie vir ons saak so passievol soos jy navolg. Die passie is sigbaar in wat en hoe jy skryf. Hoe jy reg kry om so involved te wees is tebowe my! Ek is trots op jou en almal wat by Pride gaan wees. Dankie vir al jou harde werk maat!
Would love to go!!!. I am in PTA and would love to go to Pride. Just that
– I am new to this place hence no clue how to get there
– Not a good driver
– And above all my car is giving trouble.
So any one going from PTA for Pride and would allow me to hitch a ride with them to and fro – please please text me on
0766805729
Thanks for reading and Happy Pride too!!!
Cheers,
Rajiv
?. Are u cute??
*wink*)
No one knows TRUE Pride.. I firmly dont believe in pride for one solid point.
Most the people going are going to..
– get drunk
– get laid
– get high.
– all 3 of the above.
and the others , well , go for being at Pride and being apart of what it means.
But !
Who of you , ( without googling ) know who walked for our rights on that day so many ages ago ?
Do you know the names of the people who fought so hard for it ?
Chances are , No. And even if YOU know , your one in a million bud , and its very rare.
Along with that,
Why should we “celebrate” being gay ?
Why should it be sooo important that we have one day to walk around knowing the world knows were gay ?
I have full PRIDE for the gay couple walking down the road holding hands , or for the Drag Queen going to the shops to get groceries , in FULL attire for no reason.
THAT , my friends , I will have PRIDE.
But I shouldnt have to celebrate being gay once a year , I shouldnt have to celebrate it at all , just like how I shouldnt have to celebrate having brown hair , and blue eyes.
Nor do I think people understand what happened on this day.
Its just an excuse for a piss-up,high-getting, sexpo ( C”mon , I mean , theres Johannesburg”s notorious gay cruising spot AT ZOO LAKE.
”
What these people do not consider is that Pride is a fair day, not a big drunken and/or chemically enhanced free-for-all. It is definitely not “the scene”.
Yup , we all see it with naivety.
Those of us looking for love , will probably be far away in the distance , or on the sidelines , keeping away from what “PRIDE” has become.
Well, I wouldn”t say NO-one knows Pride.. but apocrypha”s points are well taken…There”s a marked like of direction and of – that awfully difficult word – dignity – attaching to the event, often…and o cors it is the more outre lot who will get the notice …inevitably
Hmm. You haven”t been to the last two Prides, have u?
Yup.. I went to the last one.
Had to leave early because some guy spiked my drink.
Aka , first 15mins of arriving.
and even If i didnt take that into account,
Do you know who walked from gay rights ?
spread love not hate. im so there
George Michael?. Has anyone heard anything about George Michael not leaving the country and being at the Rupaul thing?? I have heard from two people now. Does Pride know anything?
Its true..I think. Well I heard that the owners of Therapy has been contacted to discuss security, so Michael can go to the Ru Paul performance… It”s very possible, seeing that M is good friends with Elton John, who is very good friends with Ru Paul…So I think he will be there…Regardless, I will be there *wink*
See you all at Pride!
Omg!!. O really??
Pride…. I am going, only to gooi those af Queens with warm Pap!!!
Appreciate the effort it takes to get this together. I think one must take a step back from moaning and bitching for a moment and appreciate that we have a pride to go to if we so choose. and the hard work many individuals do out of the free, yet limited time.
Its not here to make money although clubs are.
and its fun and will be growing. I fear however… as with most apathetic south africans the growth wanted here will not reach the grogous carnival proportions as Brighton and Torronto… so ppl stop you shiot and put in some positive efforts. Help out and come up with new event and ideas.. and also Attend the annual joburg ppride AGM which is open to the public for comment and transparency.
have a blesssed and safe pride.
hugs and love,
Jusitn and Shaun
Thanks to all!. Thanks for everyone”s opinion! I am not through all the posts yet, but hopefully will have some time this afternoon to read it.
Even if you choose not to attend, I value your contribution.
Hopefully, you will change your mind and be there.
Thanks to Mamba for stating Gayspeak”s case.
Coenie Kukkuk
http://www.gayspeak.co.za
Goerge Michael is in town. I know, course we saw him. *smiley*)
George Michael. What a role model… I fail to understand why the gay community is a fan of this man. Just because he”s gay?
hi. bonjour a toute les pd et bone fete
Best Pride ever. Thanks to all who participated – it was the best Pride ever. We rock!
Pride After Party Ru Paul. What a waste of money and why did she keep us ”africans” waiting we may not be New York but she could have had the decency to arrive on time, she really did accept ”african time”! I was disappointed as I am a regular suporter of Stuart Hillary, you tried and I admire that. Well done!
RuPaul – Pathetic. I was looking forward to her performance – but after paying for VIP – she lets us wait for more than an hour. The show was watered down – I really don””t know what all the fuzz around RuPaul is all about – Looks like she is loosing her “Spark” !!
If I don””t see her again for as long as I live …it won””t matter !
Thanks for a fab party Therapy !! At least somethings always stay a favourite 🙂
What’s all the fuss?. I personally do not know what all the fuss is about. At the end of the day pride means different things to different people. So many people judge others based on their own feelings and perceptions without considering that there may be another side to the story. The fact is, while we may all be gay, not all of us are concerned with the same things that being gay comes with. Personally I am not interested in broadcasting my homosexuality to the world because i do not see what difference it makes. This is not a matter of pride, nor fear – If I am asked I am honest but I do not want to be defined by my sexuality alone as I am so much more than just a gay man. If I have pride in myself it is not because I am gay, but rather because I am good man. This being said, if someone else wants to fly their flag there is nothing wrong with it at all because we all define ourselves differently even if we all walk around with the “gay” label. I just don’t understand why people have to condemn others becuase their feelings are different. What i feel has no bearing on anyone else’s life unless I force it down their throat, and even then it is unlikely to change their mind about anything, so what’s the point?